@sehnsucht @samir Times are changing though. Been on a couple of #FreeBSD events now and more and more devs are using it on their laptops to a point where there are more FreeBSD machines than Macs. I still think that shipping X with the base install doesn't make much sense. Having a slim install and bootstrapping from there is more appealing to me, YMMV. I think of freebsd.org more like kernel.org it's not a distro but rather the foundation that can be used as a complete OS as well. :)