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#NixOS / #Nixpkgs #Matrix server ‘breaks’ again? Why are we using this bloated protocol anyhow? These rooms have migrated several times, the docs never stay up-to-date, & we waste a lot of resources (storage, compute, RAM) to run this eventual-consistency protocol. But it constantly breaks? Then why f💀cking use it? & Why did it move to Matrix to begin with?

While I have beefs with DroneBL blocking residential IPs & being used by both Libera.Chat & OFTC, the most popular #IRC networks for software, NixOS / Nixpkgs should have stayed on IRC… or if they want the network to be decentralized & with more chat features, it should have #XMPP. Matrix doesn’t give you much but headaches. The only positive thing I have heard from anyone is that it’s nice to have a FOSS option instead of using Discord, but those 2 mature protocols were already doing that.

@defanor AFAIK there is no fully bidirectional channel<->MUC bridge, but Biboumi will allow XMPP users to join an IRC channel and will have a mostly-native feel for both sides (/whois and some channel operator things from the XMPP side are slightly awkward). It's maintained at codeberg.org/poezio/biboumi

I've been using it for years and even gave up irssi in favor of poezio+biboumi

You can set up a dedicated instance for your ircd and let users join via e.g. #support@irc.prosody.tld

Summary card of repository poezio/biboumi
Codeberg.orgbiboumiXMPP to IRC gateway

Are there tools (ideally working and maintained) for bridging individual #IRC channels with #XMPP MUCs in such a way that every user shows up as an actual participant (the gateway acting as server/service at least on the IRC side, spawning many users efficiently), rather than a bot prefixing relayed messages with user names? Particularly for InspIRCd and Prosody (both running locally, with an ability to configure them if needed).

As a similar project's example, there is TeleServ for such a bridging between IRC and Telegram, but I am failing to find that for IRC and XMPP. It should not be hard to write from scratch, but I would guess that they should exist already.

#discord IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!

I'm shure fecking #dread has better moderation and I'd rather use #MicrosoftTeams + #Slack cuz those at least have proper #moderation tools.

  • And I'd rather subscribe to the #LKML and see my inbox getting hosed than using any shitty #SaaS!

Case in point: I'd rather #SelfHost all my comms infrastructure than to ever use something like Discord or any other #GDPR-violating SaaS that is just enshittification.

I'd rather recommend people to instead choose a tool that does everything but horrible to go with multiple smaller & good tools

Check @alternativeto and @european_alternatives for options.

Il segretario nazionale Uaar @rgrendene commenta su @_micromega_ l’aumento degli studenti che non frequentano l’insegnamento della religione cattolica. Il calo dell'#IRC rispecchia profondi cambiamenti e il diffondersi della secolarizzazione fra i giovani, non spiegabile solo con l'aumento di studenti di origine straniera. E nonostante freni clericali come la spaccatura nelle classi e tra Nord e Sud e il clientelismo che fa dipendere il posto di insegnante dal vescovo.👇
micromega.net/ora-di-religione

Micromega · Ora di religione, assente giustificata: Irc in netto caloNelle scuole statali italiane le scelte di non frequentare l'ora di religione crescono a un ritmo di cinquantamila l’anno.

We were testing #galene as an alternative to #discord video/voice-chat in online #ttrpg sessions today. (In addition to #irc as a chat that is)

It worked fine. Galene has really low ressource demands and we had multiple people in the chat on two continents with good quality video and multiple simultaneous screenshare windows at the same time.
If discord enshittifies too much I think we at least have a way to play our games.

galene.org/

galene.orgGalene videoconference serverGalene is a free and open source WebRTC videoconference server

@simendsjo @jackdaniel #XMPP has all those features, and there's a fairly big #Lisp / #Scheme / #CommonLisp channel there - xmpp.link/#lisp@conference.a3.

It might not have everything that #Discord does, but it's vastly better than #IRC. And there's a cost to using #proprietary and #centralized services, which people constantly forget about in chasing convenience and shiny features.

Here's a guide to help you get started.
contrapunctus.codeberg.page/th

xmpp.linkXMPP Invitation

Created in 1988 by Jarkko Oikarinen in Finland, IRC was designed to enable real-time, text-based communication over the internet. Inspired by the multi-user talk programs on UNIX systems, Oikarinen wanted a system that was more flexible and scalable.

IRC quickly became the backbone of online communities in the 90s and early 2000s, hosting discussions ranging from programming and hacking to gaming and general socializing. Unlike modern chat services, IRC was entirely decentralized—anyone could set up a server, create channels, and communicate without corporate control.

Though its popularity has declined with the rise of modern platforms, IRC still thrives among enthusiasts, open-source communities, and privacy advocates who prefer its lightweight, no-nonsense approach to online chat.

IRC, USPol shitpost

As an IRC user, I believe that so-called "Signalgate" is evidence that emoji reactions should not be used on any important communication.

If the Trump Administration had used IRC, then the journalist in their chat would not have been able to access all their messages: he would only have seen those sent while he was online. Instead, they used Signal, which has chat history, allowing the journalist to see their entire conversation.

So why didn't they use IRC? Obviously, it's because they wanted Emoji reactions. Everyone who uses Signal instead of IRC does it because they want Emoji reactions. There is no other conceivable reason that anyone would ever choose a non-IRC messaging platform, since Emoji reactions are the only feature IRC lacks. Anyone who tells you they chose Signal for a different reason is lying.

The Trump administration put a higher value on emoji reactions than they did not journalists not being able to see their communication.

#IRC