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为什么要撕毁“抵制中国”的贴纸 

这些贴纸被贴在Atwater和Peel街道之间的区域,可能还有蒙特利尔的其他地方。我们不知道这是谁粘贴到,但有时我们会看到他们和其他人一起说操你妈杜鲁多或呼吁解放香港。

我们是撕除和覆盖这些贴纸的人之一。

我们不确定张贴者的意图,但是根据我们分析,可能由以下几点:

1.我们的社会中有些人想要挑起“西方”(在不同的定义上)与中国的全面战争。他们不是出于对自由的热爱,而是想要引起一场席卷全球的暴力盛宴。

2.这股将暴力指向我们的亚洲邻居的浪潮已经席卷北美和其他国家。

3.谴责中国国家是合理的--这是现代红色法西斯最好的例子!--但当务之急是在当地声讨帝国主义。习近平领导的共产党是危险的,但更危险的是当地警察,当地法西斯主义者,当地生态灭绝行为,当地的贪婪。邪恶的国外帝国主义势力分散了对此时此地正迫切需要的社会革命的注意!

我们鼓励所有的蒙特利尔人撕毁和覆盖这些贴纸!

我们也呼吁传播这些信息的人不要如此愚蠢!

mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun

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useful links / liens utiles 

(poste anglais, mais deux sites qui suit sont plus français qu'en anglais)

we don't necessarily fully endorse any of these projects, but I think spending time on any of these websites is better for your brain than looking at a lot of groups on Facebook, Telegram, or wherever

NEWS FROM CHINA (HONG KONG)
- lausan.hk (EN) / lausan.hk/chinese (中文)

NEWS FROM MONTRÉAL
- contrepoints.media (EN+FR)

- montreal-antifasciste.info (EN+FR)

- mtlcounterinfo.org (EN) / mtlcontreinfo.org (FR)

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nos affiches sont collés dans le quartier. voyez mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun pour plus d'infos

a few of our posters are up in the neighbourhood. check mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun for more information

this poster was spotted in the Milton-Parc neighbourhood, to the east of our area of concern. Black Hammer is an organization that has gained quite a reputation for itself on the internet. Here is an article covering most of the recent controversy: opindia.com/2021/05/black-sepa

we have never seen any other Black Hammer stuff in Montréal, but we think there is good reason to be skeptical of this organization. At the very least, we have to ask what a group whose stated medium-term political objective is to establish a base of operations in the mountains of Colorado has to offer anyone, "colonized person" or not, who is living in downtown Montréal?

we will boost any good critiques of Black Hammer that we see. Please send things our way

a sticker bearing the racist slogan "China Lied People Died" recently appeared next to a run-of-the-mill "Boycott China" sticker, partially covering up one of our posters

this slogan was widespread in our neighborhood - in the form of a spray-painted stencil, not a sticker - last year, probably as early as the summer of 2020

we posted an analysis on this topic already, see this thread: mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun

both stickers in the photo have since been removed from public view

(pt. 4)

most of the YCL's posters are torn down now. the operators of this account haven't torn down any, despite our disagreement with their approach, because we agree with the central message: Palestine - that is, the Palestinian people subjugated by the Israeli state and the social order it defends - should be free

we prefer this simple sticker. We might not put it up ourselves, but we do not think it does any harm. We also appreciate that it is in English, the common language of this particular corner of downtown Montréal

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(pt. 3)

the operators of @squarebethune are not Young Communists, we are not part of their League. We do not hate them for being young and communist, either, but we disagree with their approach. We believe there are better ways to engage solidarily and strategically with the events in Palestine and/or the local pro-Palestinian movement

for instance, it is much more important to advance the conversation, and the masses' understanding of the issues, than to advertise that your particular group has an analysis that partisans of the popular movement already hold, but which opponents of the popular movement (including many Montréalers) will find difficult to digest

it is important, too, that the posters you put up should not be straightforward tools of recruitment into a membership organization

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(pt. 2)

it is unclear what the word "communist" means anymore. It seems to evoke different things depending on your education, your country of origin, your attitude towards tradition and/or conventional authorities, etc.

most of the youth in the streets in Montréal recently, who have upheld the Palestinian cause in a way that occasionally involves putting their bodies on the line, do not call themselves communists. More of them probably call themselves anarchists than communists (although that is still not likely very many people)

the message of "Libérez la Palestine!" is good, and the facts are fine. But most people already know these things - and those who reject them are that much more likely to reject them in this case because these are now the words of "communists"

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(pt. 1)

our neighbourhood has recently been the near epicentre of the latest wave of pro-Palestinian demonstrations in Montréal. In recent weeks, the streets of our neighbourhood, and other parts of the city, have been decorated with symbols of solidarity with the Palestinian side of the conflict between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea

notable were these posters, from the Young Communist League. We appreciate the message. But we must note that these posters did not communicate anything useful to the reader, not even how to contact these communists, because the contact information was half-obscured on most posters we saw around the neighbourhood

we question how useful it is for these communists to put up posters like this

not very important 

they misspelled the word "accompanied" in English but we have also been informed that some of our posters on the street have a few copy errors as well

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Montréal Contre-information a republié notre texte en français. Leur site est plus nice que le nôtre! mtlcontreinfo.org/pourquoi-on-

Montréal Counter-Information republished our text in English as well. As we said in French, their site is nicer than ours: mtlcounterinfo.org/why-we-dest

why does this critic think our third point is "bullshit"?

do they object to the notion that there is an "urgent need for social revolution here and now", or with the assertion that it is legitimate to denounce the Chinese state? or possibly both?

we encourage correspondence and substantive critiques, even from those who defend the local social order and those who believe that present-day China is a socialist utopia. We can be reached at squarebethune@riseup.net

la version chinoise du texte est retrouvé et disponible ici

the Chinese version of the text was found and available here:

mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun

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为什么要撕毁“抵制中国”的贴纸 

这些贴纸被贴在Atwater和Peel街道之间的区域,可能还有蒙特利尔的其他地方。我们不知道这是谁粘贴到,但有时我们会看到他们和其他人一起说操你妈杜鲁多或呼吁解放香港。

我们是撕除和覆盖这些贴纸的人之一。

我们不确定张贴者的意图,但是根据我们分析,可能由以下几点:

1.我们的社会中有些人想要挑起“西方”(在不同的定义上)与中国的全面战争。他们不是出于对自由的热爱,而是想要引起一场席卷全球的暴力盛宴。

2.这股将暴力指向我们的亚洲邻居的浪潮已经席卷北美和其他国家。

3.谴责中国国家是合理的--这是现代红色法西斯最好的例子!--但当务之急是在当地声讨帝国主义。习近平领导的共产党是危险的,但更危险的是当地警察,当地法西斯主义者,当地生态灭绝行为,当地的贪婪。邪恶的国外帝国主义势力分散了对此时此地正迫切需要的社会革命的注意!

我们鼓励所有的蒙特利尔人撕毁和覆盖这些贴纸!

我们也呼吁传播这些信息的人不要如此愚蠢!

mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun

malheureusement la version chinoise de notre texte n'est pas encore disponible. il semble que l'autre service, ce qu'on utilisait pour héberger la traduction (le fruit d'ouvrage d'un ami du projet) l'a supprimé. (c'est bin.snopyta.org/)

on espère qu'on peut récuperer une copie.

unfortunately the Chinese version of our text is no longer available. It seems that the other service we used to host the translation (it's bin.snopyta.org/) deleted the translation (the fruits of a friend of the project's labor)

we hope we that we can find a copy.

useful links / liens utiles 

(poste anglais, mais deux sites qui suit sont plus français qu'en anglais)

we don't necessarily fully endorse any of these projects, but I think spending time on any of these websites is better for your brain than looking at a lot of groups on Facebook, Telegram, or wherever

NEWS FROM CHINA (HONG KONG)
- lausan.hk (EN) / lausan.hk/chinese (中文)

NEWS FROM MONTRÉAL
- contrepoints.media (EN+FR)

- montreal-antifasciste.info (EN+FR)

- mtlcounterinfo.org (EN) / mtlcontreinfo.org (FR)

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2. Une vague de violence contre nos voisin.e.s asiatiques se produit déjà, à travers l'Amérique du Nord et dans plusieurs autres pays.

3. Dénoncer l'État Chinois est légitime - il est l'exemple ultime du "fascisme rouge" à l'ère moderne! - mais c'est plutôt urgent de dénoncer l'empire chez nous. Le Parti communiste de Xi est dangereux, mais bien plus dangereux sont la police locale, le fascisme locale, l’ecocide locale, l'avidité locale. L'empire du mal à l'étranger est une distraction du besoin urgent pour une révolution sociale ici et maintenant!

On encourage tout les Montréalais-e-s à détruire et couvrir ces autocollants!

On encourage aussi les gens qui répandent ces messages à être un peu moins caves!

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POURQUOI ON DÉTRUIT LES AUTOCOLLANTS "BOYCOTT CHINA"

Ces autocollants étaient affichés dans la zone entre les rues Atwater et Peel - et peut-être ailleurs à Montréal! On ne sait pas qui les affiches, mais on les vois parfois avec d’autres qui disent FUCK TRUDEAU ou qui appellent à la libération de Hong Kong.

Nous sommes parmi celles-ceux qui enlèvent et couvrent ces autocollants.

On ne connaît pas avec certitude les intentions de celles-ceux qui les affiches. Cependant, on a l'analyse qui suit:

1. Il y a des gens dans notre société qui veulent une guerre totale entre l'Occident (dont la définition varie) et la Chine. Ils ne sont pas motivé par un amour pour la liberté; ce qu'ils veulent est une orgie de violence qui enveloppera le monde.

nos affiches sont collés dans le quartier. voyez mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun pour plus d'infos

a few of our posters are up in the neighbourhood. check mastodon.bida.im/@squarebethun for more information

this stencil was bad because it was jingoistic, meaning: it wants war with China. We do not like, support, or trust the Chinese state. But we do not want war, and we certainly do not want ethnic cleansing directed at our neighbours of not only Chinese descent but, in practice, East Asian descent in general

China fucked up on covid first, just like every provincial, state, and federal government in North America has fucked up on covid multiple times since, in one way or the other. We don't care anymore. All of these governments, all over the world, are the problem. Governments act in the interests of the rich, anywhere you go

we need popular power, from the grassroots. Which means involving Chinese people and everyone else, not blaming, denouncing, or inciting violence against them as a group

it's a racist stencil, basically

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Do you have photos of the "china lied people died" graffiti that was up all over the neighborhood a few months ago?

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no. But if someone has any photos, we will post them.

we often see these stickers in the vicinity of the anti-China and pro-Hong Kong stickers. we believe the same people may be behind all of them

Trudeau is a more relevant problem, but again, the maple leaf that replaces the vowel in this curse word indicates a poor understanding of the issues. Trudeau is an idiot, a dauphin, a racist, and several other bad things, but he is not the problem

the problem is with Canada, and with politicians, and with capitalism and colonialism writ large. These are bigger problems than one man

at the end of the day, we don't disagree with the slogan "Fuck Trudeau", so we leave these stickers. but the maple leaves we cannot tolerate

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