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DB 🌱💦<p>One of Israel's most prominent public intellectuals, Tom Segev, just said in an interview with Haaretz:</p><p>"At the age of 80 I'm starting to think that maybe it wasn't right from the outset, the whole Zionist thing... So Zionism is not such a great success story. It also doesn't provide security to Jews. It's safer for Jews to live outside Israel."</p><p><a href="https://todon.eu/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> <a href="https://todon.eu/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> <a href="https://todon.eu/tags/Zionism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Zionism</span></a> <a href="https://todon.eu/tags/FreePalestine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FreePalestine</span></a></p>
DB 🌱💦<p>One of Israel's most prominent public intellectuals, Tom Segev, just said in an interview with Haaretz:</p><p>"At the age of 80 I'm starting to think that maybe it wasn't right from the outset, the whole Zionist thing... So Zionism is not such a great success story. It also doesn't provide security to Jews. It's safer for Jews to live outside Israel."</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Zionism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Zionism</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/FreePalestine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FreePalestine</span></a></p>
Carmilla On Line - Rss Bot<p>Andare oltre “l’indicibile” <a href="https://www.carmillaonline.com/2024/06/18/andare-oltre-lindicibile/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">carmillaonline.com/2024/06/18/</span><span class="invisible">andare-oltre-lindicibile/</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/NormanG" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>NormanG</span></a>.Finkelstein <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/HannahArendt" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>HannahArendt</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/RaulHilberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>RaulHilberg</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/Recensioni" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Recensioni</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/StatiUniti" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>StatiUniti</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/olocausto" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>olocausto</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/Sionismo" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Sionismo</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/Svizzera" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Svizzera</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/Israele" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Israele</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/Shoa" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Shoa</span></a></p>
好好引用<p>犹太学者的纠结：「只有神话级灾难, 才能打破各方『复国主义』幻想」？ | 文化纵横</p><p>2024-05-03 慧诺（译） 文化纵横 <br><a href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/q8lxKQBe9L7TsplaWWozRw" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">mp.weixin.qq.com/s/q8lxKQBe9L7</span><span class="invisible">TsplaWWozRw</span></a><br><a href="https://alive.bar/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> <a href="https://alive.bar/tags/ForeignAffairs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ForeignAffairs</span></a> <a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E4%BB%A5%E5%B7%B4%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>以巴战争</span></a> <a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E7%BA%B5%E6%A8%AA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>文化纵横</span></a></p><p>【导读】<br>近日，在埃及方面的斡旋下，以色列提出了两阶段的新停火方案。巴勒斯坦伊斯兰抵抗运动（哈马斯）也表示正在“以积极态度”进行研究。然而另一方面，美国政府高票通过“反犹太主义意识法案”，给冲突解决的长远预期增加了不确定性。有评论指出，由于若干关键问题难达成协议，持续的停火似乎难以实现。那么，过去一百年来，为何所谓”<a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E4%B8%A4%E5%9B%BD%E6%96%B9%E6%A1%88" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>两国方案</span></a>“始终难以落地？若巴以双方能够达成停火协议，究竟能维持多久？关于阿拉伯和以色列的冲突，问题的根源究竟在哪里？</p><p>作为一名出生于1945年的犹太人，历史学家Tom Segev经历了以色列的建国初期以及此后的数次巴以（阿以）冲突，长期观察和研究犹太人对于巴勒斯坦的问题的真实态度。他在本文中指出，从始至终，巴以双方最深刻的诉求不是具体的利益和精心策划的策略，而是充满神话色彩的宗教信仰，包括暴力原教旨主义、“弥赛亚式”的偏见、幻想、抽象符号以及根深蒂固的焦虑。正是冲突的这种非理性特征，让双方的矛盾始终无法得到彻底解决。近百年以来各个版本的所谓“两国方案”也并没有回应这个根本冲突。</p><p>作者认为，自开国总理本-古里安以来，以色列精英一直都清楚问题的症结。因此，以色列人的主流实操就是：用各种手段，尽可能多地获取土地，并在其中安置尽可能多的犹太人；对于该地区的阿拉伯人，必须严格控制其数量，可以将其“转移”到其他地区，最终实现一个无阿拉伯人居住的领土。此后，以色列在数次战争中的军事优势，也与其宗教和民族情绪相互激荡，最终导致了其占领阿拉伯耶路撒冷的致命决定——这是巴以双方几乎无法妥协的底线。</p><p>然而，本文也指出，是阿拉伯人的软弱，而非以色列的“强大力量”，导致以色列能进一步占领土地。随着埃及和约旦两个阿拉伯国家实质上放弃了对东耶路撒冷、加沙和西岸地区巴勒斯坦人的支持，使其成为了中东地区“永恒的孤儿”。与此同时，缺乏绝对的力量压制，这也意味着地区冲突无法被完全解决，唯一能做的就是“冲突管理”，现总理内塔尼亚胡的表现相比所有前任都尤为逊色。出于傲慢和自大，内塔尼亚胡试图用金钱收买哈马斯领导人，但这些资金中的大部分却被用于购买火箭弹，成为危害以色列安全的不稳定因素。</p><p>如今，“复国主义”承载着巴以人民各自的信仰，这些绝对的立场正是集体身份的核心，任何形式的妥协都可能被视为对民族和宗教的背叛，会遭到重要选民的谴责（乃至刺杀）。若要试图调停当前加沙战争，各国不应再追求一种所谓“持续的和平”，而要引导巴以双方重新找到一种相对安全的共存方式。</p><p>本文为文化纵横新媒体原创编译系列“重点区域国家的内情与远略”之十二，编译自《<a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E5%A4%96%E4%BA%A4%E4%BA%8B%E5%8A%A1" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>外交事务</span></a>》（Foreign Affairs）杂志4月23日最新文章《以色列永恒的战争：“管理”而非“解决”冲突的悠久历史》（Israel’s Forever War: The Long History of Managing—Rather Than Solving—the Conflict）。文章仅代表作者观点，供读者参考辨析。</p>
Christophe Neff<p><a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> nach dem Massaker vom 7. Oktober<br>»Die Begriffe Apartheid oder Kolonialismus verstehe ich als intellektuelle Faulheit«<br>Den israelischen Historiker <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> erinnert das <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Hamas" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Hamas</span></a>-Massaker an den <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Holocaust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Holocaust</span></a>, und bei den Bildern aus dem <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Gazastreifen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gazastreifen</span></a> denkt er an die Bombardierung Dresdens. Und er wundert sich manchmal über die deutsche Israel-Debatte. <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/derSpiegel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>derSpiegel</span></a> <a href="https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/tom-segev-ueber-israel-die-begriffe-apartheid-oder-kolonialismus-verstehe-ich-als-intellektuelle-faulheit-a-afa4ad20-3cf9-43f8-b853-ed17bea3cf41" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">spiegel.de/ausland/tom-segev-u</span><span class="invisible">eber-israel-die-begriffe-apartheid-oder-kolonialismus-verstehe-ich-als-intellektuelle-faulheit-a-afa4ad20-3cf9-43f8-b853-ed17bea3cf41</span></a></p>
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