Visto che c'è una crescente sensibilità nel boicottare prodotti USA, ripropongo la mia lista su come usare solo servizi europei e spendere meno che con #Amazon:
@filippodb ⁂ io uso Aruba per avere spazio illimitato dei file/foto su Cloud.
La loro piattaforma è basata su NextCloud. Il piano base non prevede l'utilizzo dell'app per PC/smartphone ma ha un costo abbastanza contenuto, solo 45 euro all'anno. Per ora io ci ho caricato 12 TB.
Può essere un'alternativa a Amazon Photo o Google Drive/One Drive
Scopri Aruba Drive la soluzione di file hosting con spazio di archiviazione illimitato, per archiviare e condividere in tutta sicurezza immagini video e documenti
Prezzi e caratteristiche di Cloud Backup di Aruba, il servizio per impostare backup automatici per la gestione e la conservazione dei dati in piena sicurezza
MLOL è la prima rete italiana di biblioteche digitali. Una piattaforma per l'accesso al digital lending (prestito digitale) di ebook, quotidiani e periodici da tutto il mondo e tanti altri contenuti.
@ClayAdventuresontheShelf @internet utilizzo questo servizio da anni con soddisfazione: due ebook al mese (prestiti da 15 GG) oltre all'accesso a una vasta edicola internazionale 👍
io per il backup di foto uso un nas synology e altri due dischi esterni offline a turno per backup del backup. Tutto fisico. Mi sento più proprietario così.
alla fine i dazi li possiamo fare noi boicottando i prodotti americani come stanno gia facendo i canadesi. Mi spiace ma la mia considerazione dell'America e degli americani dopo questi svarioni è crollata. Mi attendo per i prossimi anni un dollaro debole e una lieve recessione dell'economia americana. Meglio disinvestire...
Oltre a refurbed.it citerei anche simpaticotech.it. Poi per la posta e browser usare vivaldi che dispone di una vpn attivabile invece di chrome microsoft erge, firefox o altri americani.
Per gli strumenti musicali le alternative che personalmente ritengo affidabili sono: 1) Thomann (Germania) 2) strumentimusical.net (Italia) 3) musicalstore2005 (Italia)
Comincia a essere chiaro a tutti quanto sia importante in questo momento STACCARSI DAI GRANDI MONOPÒLI americani.
Comincio dal n.1 nel commercio online: AMAZON (ma anche eBay). Oltre al sacrosanto 'andiamo nei negozi', ci sono "marketplace" alternativi? Non solo: c'è DI MEGLIO. Scopriamo insieme queste vere e proprie chicche!
1) commercioVirtuoso (tante categorie) Italiani, sostenibili e di qualità: i prodotti di questa giovane impresa promettono di venire incontro al commercio locale (acquisti dai negozi sul territorio), all'ambiente (la merce non deve percorrere mezzo mondo) e al valore della lentezza (opposta al "fast" del consumo usa-e-getta).
2) Bookdealer (libri) Comprare dalle librerie indipendenti con la comodità di ordinare online: è questo l'obiettivo di questa iniziativa, che permette di trovare un libro in una delle librerie aderenti sul territorio nazionale e farselo recapitare anche direttamente a domicilio.
3) Emarketworld (tante categorie - no libri) Un'altra startup italiana relativamente giovane, che si presenta come un marketplace onesto e con ottime recensioni, un vasto assortimento e la possibilità di trovare anche occasioni e prodotti ricondizionati.
4) PagineGialle Shop (tante categorie - no libri) Sorprendentemente poco conosciuto, il marketplace di Pagine Gialle è molto assortito. Come su Amazon, i prodotti possono essere venduti dai singoli venditori o direttamente dallo Shop. Vale la pena di esplorarlo bene. Da segnalare anche PagineGialle, che permette di trovare i negozi più vicini senza passare per Google Maps, e PGCasa, dove si possono reperire facilmente artigiani per tutti i piccoli e grandi lavori domestici.
5) Libri da Asporto (libri) Non è un vero marketplace, ma un sito che raccoglie molte librerie aderenti, permettendo di trovare facilmente le più vicine sul territorio e di mettersi in contatto direttamente con loro (via email o whatsapp) per ordinare e farsi recapitare i libri anche a domicilio.
6) Subito (tante categorie) Sicuramente più conosciuto (grazie anche alle campagne pubblicitarie), oltre ad essere un marketplace molto assortito, permette di pubblicare annunci e si configura perciò come una delle alternative nostrane che possono competere anche con eBay (tuttavia senza possibilità di asta).
7) Il Fedimercatino E per restare nel Fediverso, che dire di questa bella iniziativa no-profit federata, collegata alla comunità Lemmy @Il Mercatino del Fediverso 💵♻️? Il "Mercatino delle Pulci Online Eco-Sostenibile del fediverso" è un piccolo e giovanissimo spazio (in espansione!) nato per contrastare la cultura dello spreco, ridurre i rifiuti e promuovere la filosofia del "Regalo Consapevole" (ma è possibile vendere o acquistare prodotti con prezzi fino a 299€). Leggete bene la pagina about!
8) StrumentiMusicali / MercatinoMusicale (strumenti musicali, apparecchiature e accessori) Tra i tanti siti specializzati in una sola categoria, presento questo (anche per... deformazione professionale), che ho sempre trovato affidabile, ben fornito e di riferimento nel mondo musicale. Il Mercatino è inoltre un sito dove mettere e trovare annunci per ottime occasioni.
Grazie, molto interessante! Però non sono molto d’accordo che il comprare nei negozi fisici sia virtuoso in quanto tale. Da consumatore, compro dove mi conviene o dove nel bilanciamento generale ho un miglior rapporto qualità prezzo; andare in un negozio e pagare di più, spesso molto di più, solo per fare un favore al negoziante non mi pare “sano”, in termini generali
@Paolo CM 🇪🇺 Infatti, ma non trovo proprio dove l'avrei scritto! C'è un "sacrosanto" iniziale (che può essere anche in parte ironico), e poi tutto un post dedicato a elencare tante alternative online... pensavo si capisse!
@tizianomattei devo essermi perso un pezzo di testo (boh, dove?) ma non ho trovato né link né per esteso l' alternativa ad Amazon. Potresti gentilmente ripetere?
1) commercioVirtuoso (tante categorie) Italiani, sostenibili e di qualità: i prodotti di questa giovane impresa promettono di venire incontro al commercio locale (acquisti dai negozi sul territorio), all'ambiente (la merce non deve percorrere mezzo mondo) e al valore della lentezza (opposta al "fast" del consumo usa-e-getta).
2) Bookdealer (libri) Comprare dalle librerie indipendenti con la comodità di ordinare online: è questo l'obiettivo di questa iniziativa, che permette di trovare un libro in una delle librerie aderenti sul territorio nazionale e farselo recapitare anche direttamente a domicilio.
3) Emarketworld (tante categorie - no libri) Un'altra startup italiana relativamente giovane, che si presenta come un marketplace onesto e con ottime recensioni, un vasto assortimento e la possibilità di trovare anche occasioni e prodotti ricondizionati.
4) PagineGialle Shop (tante categorie - no libri) Sorprendentemente poco conosciuto, il marketplace di Pagine Gialle è molto assortito. Come su Amazon, i prodotti possono essere venduti dai singoli venditori o direttamente dallo Shop. Vale la pena di esplorarlo bene. Da segnalare anche PagineGialle, che permette di trovare i negozi più vicini senza passare per Google Maps, e PGCasa, dove si possono reperire facilmente artigiani per tutti i piccoli e grandi lavori domestici.
5) Libri da Asporto (libri) Non è un vero marketplace, ma un sito che raccoglie molte librerie aderenti, permettendo di trovare facilmente le più vicine sul territorio e di mettersi in contatto direttamente con loro (via email o whatsapp) per ordinare e farsi recapitare i libri anche a domicilio.
6) Subito (tante categorie) Sicuramente più conosciuto (grazie anche alle campagne pubblicitarie), oltre ad essere un marketplace molto assortito, permette di pubblicare annunci e si configura perciò come una delle alternative nostrane che possono competere anche con eBay (tuttavia senza possibilità di asta).
7) Il Fedimercatino E per restare nel Fediverso, che dire di questa bella iniziativa no-profit federata, collegata alla comunità Lemmy @Il Mercatino del Fediverso 💵♻️? Il "Mercatino delle Pulci Online Eco-Sostenibile del fediverso" è un piccolo e giovanissimo spazio (in espansione!) nato per contrastare la cultura dello spreco, ridurre i rifiuti e promuovere la filosofia del "Regalo Consapevole" (ma è possibile vendere o acquistare prodotti con prezzi fino a 299€). Leggete bene la pagina about!
8) StrumentiMusicali / MercatinoMusicale (strumenti musicali, apparecchiature e accessori) Tra i tanti siti specializzati in una sola categoria, presento questo (anche per... deformazione professionale), che ho sempre trovato affidabile, ben fornito e di riferimento nel mondo musicale. Il Mercatino è inoltre un sito dove mettere e trovare annunci per ottime occasioni.
Avevo bisogno di diversi prodotti, pagine gialle deserto, subito niente di utile.. alle fine sono andato su idealista (germania) e almeno ho differenziato la spesa: -prodotti farmaceutici da venditore diretto, prezzo inferiore ad amazon -cuffie su mediaworld, stesso prezzo di amazon compresa spedizione -cartucce per stampante amazon, 20€ inferiore a qualsiasi altro -elettronica da battaglia aliexpress, mi spiace ma costava un terzo ok l'etica ma non mi voglio svenare
Dopo 4 anni di #Fediverso, è il momento di tirare le conclusioni.
Arrivai qui, come molti, dal mondo #Meta; avevo un mio account su #Facebook e uno su #Instagram, dove in realtà, non si faceva altro che ‘spiare’ il prossimo e i suoi comportamenti. Non conoscendo ancora nulla di questa realtà (pur avendo un buon bagaglio tecnico, dovuto alla mia professione) approdai su un grande istanza italiana. Effettivamente, la differenza con i ‘vecchi’ social l’apprezzai subito, infatti dopo pochi giorni li cancellai definitivamente. Imparai a muovermi qui, a capire alcune dinamiche, che comunque sono, anche qui, presenti, ma in maniera molto minore. La cosa più difficile da capire, all’inizio, fu il concetto di Fediverso e delle varie istanze che lo compongono; credevo che tutto si svolgesse li dove ero, senza comprendere che c’è tanto altro da scoprire. Feci la mia ‘gavetta’. Poi arrivò qualche incarico che mi insegnò altro e nel contempo studiavo e imparavo. Per motivi personali, che improvvisamente mi crollarono addosso, mollai tutto e andai via. Dopo poco, arrivarono buone notizie e mi ricordai del Fediverso, ma volli provare un’altra istanza, anche per capire meglio alcune cose. Ricevetti una bella accoglienza e scoprii che le dimensioni dell’istanza non contavano molto, quasi nulla. Dopo alcuni mesi, volli cambiare piattaforma, fino a quel momento avevo usato Mastodon, migrai su Misskey. Tutto diverso, esteticamente molto bello, pieno di nuove funzioni e mi piacque subito. Dopo altri mesi però, decisi di provare a creare qualcosa, la mia istanza. Decisi quindi di tornare su Mastodon, più ‘spartano’ rispetto a Misskey, ma meglio documentato e supportato, almeno per me. Oggi, ho la mia istanza #Mastodon, la mia istanza #Pixelfed, #Owncast e il mio server per #Matrix. La cosa più bella, oltre all’esperienza che mi sono fatto, è la gente con cui ho stretto amicizia, impensabile per me nei vecchi social.
Conclusione (già è troppo lungo per i miei gusti), sono contento di tutto ciò che ho passato, ognuno a suo modo, mi ha insegnato qualcosa. Tornare indietro? No grazie, ho trovato la mia dimensione e ci rimango.🙏
NOFX is pissed off and they want to tell you all about it. Show more for lyrics.
BUY: http://www.fatwreck.com/record/detail/605
TOUR: http://www.fatwreck.
Where are all the stupid people from? And how'd they get to be so dumb? Bred on purple mountain range Feed amber waves of grains To lesser human beings, zero feelings
Blame it on Human nature, mans destiny (mans destiny) Blame it on the greediocracy (greediocracy) Fear of God The fear of change The fear of truth
Add the Bill of Rights, subtract the wrongs There's no answers Memorize and sing star spangled songs When the questions Aren't ever asked Is anybody learning from the past? We're living in united stagnation
Father what have I done? I took that 22 A gift to me from you To bed with me each night Kept it clean Polished it well Cherished every cartridge, every shell
Down, by the creek, under brush, under dirt There's a carcass of my second kill Down, by the park, under stone, under pine There's a carcass of my brother William Brother where, have you gone to? I swear, I never thought I could I see so many times They told me to shoot straight Don't pull the trigger, squeeze That will insure a kill A kill is what you want A kill is why we breed
The Christians love their guns The church and NRA Pray for their salvations Prey on the lower faiths
The story book's been read And every line believed Curriculum's been set Logic is a threat Reason searched and seized
Jerry spent some time in Michigan A twenty year vacation, after all he had a dime A dime is worth a lot more in Detroit A dime in California, a twenty dollar fine
Jerry only stayed a couple months It's hard to enjoy yourself while bleeding out the ass Asphyxiation is simple and fast It beats seventeen fun years of being someones bitch
Don't think (Stay) Drink your wine (Home) Watch the fire burn (Be) His problems not mine (Safe) Just be that model citizen
I wish I had a schilling (For each senseless killing) For every senseless killing I'd buy a government America's for sale And you can get a good deal on it (A good deal on it) And make a healthy profit Or maybe, tear it apart Start with assumption That a million people are smart Smarter than one
Serotonin's gone She gave up, drifted away Sara fled, thought process gone She left her answering machine on The greeting left spoken sincere Messages no one will ever hear
Ten thousand messages a day A million more transmissions lay Victims of the laissez faire Ten thousand voices, a hundred guns A hundred decibels turns to one One bullet, one empty head Now with Serotonin gone
The man who used to speak Performs a cute routine Feel a little patronized Don't feel bad They found a way inside your head And you feel a bit misled It's not that they don't care, yeah
The television's put a thought inside your head Llike a Barry Manilow, jingle I'd like, to teach the world to sing In perfect harmony A symphonic blank stare, yeah It doesn't make you care (make you care) Not designed to make you care (make you care) They're betting you won't care (you won't...)
Place a wager on your greed A wager on your pride Why try to beat them when, a million others tried?
We are the whore Intellectually spayed We are the queer Dysfunctionally raised
One more pill to kill the pain One more pill to kill the pain One more pill to kill the pain Living through conformity
One more prayer to keep me safe One more prayer to keep us warm One more prayer to keep us safe There's gonna be a better place
Lost the battle, lost the war Lost the things worth living for Lost the will to win the fight One more pill to kill the pain
Na na na na na La na na na na Na na na na na Na na na na na
The going get tough, the tough get debt Don't pay attention, pay the rent Next of kins pay for your sins A little faith should keep us safe
Save us The human, existence Is failing, resistance Essential, the future Written off, the odds are Astronomically against us Only moron and genius Would fight a losing battle Against the super ego When giving in is so damn comforting
And so we go, on with our lives We know the truth, but prefer lies Lies are simple, simple is bliss Why go against tradition when we can Admit defeat, live in decline Be the victim of our own design The status quo, built on suspect Why would anyone stick out their neck?
Fellow members Club "We've Got Ours" I'd like to introduce you to our host He's got his, and I've got mine Meet the decline
We are the queer We are the whore Ammunition In the class war We are worker We love our queen We sacrifice We're soilent green
We are the queer We are the whore Ammunition In the class war
E in Italia? In Italia si continua a parlare di provocazione ogni volta che qualcuno tenta di proporre modelli educativi paritari. E intanto si discute di parità in termini di slogan, protocolli ministeriali e campagne pubblicitarie, mentre nelle aule scolastiche i bambini e le bambine sono ancora, troppo spesso, incasellati in ruoli rigidi. […] Le bambine sono ancora invitate a "mettere a posto i giocattoli" […] "loro sono più ordinate". s.42l.fr/-npPVTTr
Educare all'uguaglianza: l’Islanda guarda avanti ed è prima nel mondo per parità di genere, l’Italia è sempre più indietro. Forse, a questo punto, volontariame…
The wonderful slow movement from the equally wonderful c minor piano trio of Elfrida Andree, played by Trio Nordica (I have the CD and posted the slow movement from the other trio a while back):
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Non ho approfondito, ma certo sarebbe un vantaggio per chi ha divers* figl* in età scolare, ma magari in scuole diverse; per chi insegna in scuole diverse...
#mastoaiuto #cercolavoro l'azienda per il quale lavoro da 12 anni al 99% tra 2 mesi delocalizzerà gli uffici a 350 km. Operazione fatta per non dover fare un licenziamento di massa. Sto quindi cercando lavoro, provincia di Torino e Cuneo. 39enne, Laurea in chimica e tecnologie farmaceutiche, esperienza di 12 anni in azienda e-commerce farmaceutico. Per 7 anni come buyer/ senior buyer / responsabile acquisti. Graditi retoot. Spero ancora nel buon cuore della community ❤️
Buongiorno sono Andrea e sono un rappresentante di prodotti farmaceutici che ha anche lavorato con Talea. A Nichelino ero in contatto con Danilo che credo che lei conosca. La figura dell'informatore è distante dalla mia, ma le dinamiche un po' le conosco. Ho visto che chiede consigli per quanto riguarda il RAL, sicuramente le consiglio di andare a chiedere consulenza da un commercialista, se va da Confcommercio o similari è gratuita la prima e per una P.IVA di
Rendez-vous sur PayPal.Me/niccolove et saisissez le montant. C'est signé PayPal, donc c'est simple et sécurisé. Vous n'avez pas de compte PayPal ? Pas de problème.
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Dutch researchers get questionnaires from the US government about political views – if you are a European scientist who has received such a letter, please DM me.
What are the likely consequences of not answering the questionnaire? Was the questionnaire sent via e-mail? Were there any explanations or introductory words in the questionnaire?
A huge THANK YOU to everyone who contributed in any way - from testing and submitting bug reports through to designing, coding, fixing, packaging, testing some more, translating, documenting, hosting, administration, so many people, so much work, so much to be thankful for!
@Scott_Trakker@mastodon.world @GIMP@floss.social
Go way dude. You're the one that showed up in my mentions to complain that someone doesn't appreciate trash.
You're not king of the internet, bro.
Go away.
GIMP is produced by volunteers. If you want specific features, yes, please file issues. If you want to be on the design team join the design team. But without code being written by volunteers, there won’t be changes. Vague suggestions like “modern editing tools” are hard to implement.
@jonathankoren Yes, but at least you'll get some funding for development out of it. Maybe even some insight into what features paid users are missing. Right now, complaining is free without much benefit - instead you have to put in time and effort to reply.
@opensourceopenmind @jonathankoren Thanks! We do have patreon links for some of the developers, and people do donate. Development direction is partly what interests the volunteers (since they are volunteers!) and partly informed by the thousands of requests and issues we get on gitlab and elsewhere.
And the main issue isn't about gay people, it's that it's a derogatory term for physically disabled persons. The most accurate German translation would probably be "Krüppel".
@Toastface @supertobi @giggls @scy Would anybody be interested in a rebranding fork? We leave everything as it us, but change the logo, name, which means making a new repo, doing some changes to the website contents, registering a new url, and then advertise in thr community why the change.
@fallbackerik @Toastface @supertobi @giggls @scy and also change the plug-in API, rewrite 10,000+ plug-ins and scripts, courses, documentation, 70+ language translations, find hosting for > 100K downloads/day...
Changing the name is a possibility for the future; for now we have what we have. A hostile fork is always possible, but you do need a team of developers.
I understand the scope of work and don't expect miracles. Perhaps rewording your FAQ would make it seem a little less hostile to the idea that the name might be inappropriate.
You could just drop the G from the abbreviation, the word "IMP" would work fine as it's a mischievous fairy.
I mean this in a really positive way: you have an army of people waiting to promote you and support you, but they're being held back because of the letter G. It would be a tiny change and massive reward for you 🙂
@fallbackerik @Toastface @supertobi @giggls @scy "Rewrite 10,000+ plug-ins & scripts" is disingenuous, to start with. Nobody anywhere is asking you to make those changes right away - & indeed, probably most people wouldn't even perceive the most difficult changes. Admit it: You just don't want to change it.
@FeralRobots @fallbackerik @Toastface @supertobi @giggls @scy Personally i do want to see change. We don’t today have consensus in the team to make that change, so posting as GIMP_Official i can’t say what will happen yet, but we’ve agreed last yearto discuss it further. It’s more work than it might at first appear. I should have said, some things that would be affected include... rather than change... we wouldn't be rewriting all the scripts you're right, sorry.
@FeralRobots @Toastface @supertobi @giggls @scy Is there a way to follow the progress on thst topic? Is there something like a PEP (see Python) or Pull Request one could subscribe to?
@fallbackerik @FeralRobots @Toastface @supertobi @giggls @scy not right now, sorry. It would likely be considerably more than a single pull request, involving legal contracts, moving the Web site and all the bugs, and a lot more. This is not to say it should not be done, but if you heard about the GIMP 3 release you'd presumably also hear about a name change. Thanks for asking!
@deutrino it will probably take a while for third-party plug-ins and add-ons and settings packs to catch up. Contact them and ask, so they know it’s wanted 😀
A patch for optimizing GIMP 3.0+ for Adobe Photoshop users, including features like:
Tool organization to mimic the position of Adobe Photoshop;
New Splash Screen
New default settings to maximize ...
A few years back, someone forked GIMP into Glimpse because the term “GIMP” was offensive in a way.
Not just limited to the name, but the fork also aimed to do better than what GIMP offered, with a potential to introduce an easier user interface and …
@supertobi @mxjaygrant yeah I know all that. But the thing is, the more I grow away from my nerdy teenage self, I understand it less and less. The "coincidence" while finding an acronym is just incomprehensible. It might have been "funny" back then, but now it isn't any more. The FAQ reads like the project didn't grow up which is sad because the program is great and the new people involved are as well. So I wonder why keep that cruft.
@piratenpanda @mxjaygrant Remember, renaming costs money and is a lot of work that the team might prefer to invest in the product. Should gimp be renamed? Probably. Do I want to take on the work and the costs? Definitely not.
@supertobi @piratenpanda @mxjaygrant They aren't open to changing the name. If they were and actually said we want to but we need to do such and such and it costs money they would actually get support to help. Right now they are just being obtuse.
@CmykStudent @supertobi @piratenpanda @mxjaygrant y’all might want to update the FAQ if it’s an actual possibility! Based off of that it sounds less like “its difficult to change such an old name” to “we won’t change it and in fact it’s for some principled reason”
@rawrmonstar @CmykStudent @supertobi @piratenpanda @mxjaygrant@triangletoot. Thanks.. It’s on the agenda to discuss, which would include the practicalities. As the individual (@barefootliam) responding in this message, i’ll say ii hadn’t noticed that FAQ comment before today and will suggest changing it, if whoever wrote it isn’t too wedded to it. We have parts of the Web site going back almost 30 years!
I have mixed feelings about this as I know it will 1. probably be as clunky to use as its predecessors, 2. probably not have backward compatibility including breaking plugins.
But as there is no FOSS alternative to GIMP with the breadth of functionality of it, that I'm aware of, we just have to suck it up.
@Mgfp @carl the people who first made GIMP were entirely unaware that the word had connotations beyond being the name of a character in a film. Some of the current developers also have no experience of this - with English not their first language.
@davidrevoy hâte de voir une petit prises en main avec tablette du nouveau #Gimp3 par david en vidéo. Petite infidélité passagère pour #krita , on dira rien 😉
did it finally fix the issues with Wayland, in particular when using a tiling window manager like Sway? I basically haven’t been able to use GIMP in years after migrating to Wayland, and when I have to use it I have to start an X11 session just for that.
@fabio there are still some issues with Wayland, including a lack of colour management, and an inability to remember window positions between sessions, and probably more. You could try it, though, making sure you have GIMP::Windows::SIngle Window Mode enabled. May need to experiment with preferences/window managememt. At least one gimp dev usees niri with waybar on wayland.
I’ve just given it a try and it no longer breaks when I export an image - earlier on it would freeze the whole Sway session. That’s some very good job! The other features (colour management, window positioning etc.) are nice-to-haves, but I can probably live with them for now.
I love what you’ve done with the app, this seems like a significant upgrade, but *please* consider renaming it to something that isn’t also a slur. Surely it’s not worth the constant hassle and having your team’s literal decades of hard work disregarded and belittled because you are stubborn about it being OK to be just a *little* bit bigoted.
@reflex it has not been ruled out for the future. It’s actually a lot more work than it sounds - e.g. could affect the plug-in API, as well as docs, translations, and the entire codebase.
Congratulations on the release. It's amazing the history GIMP has now. Almost 30 years old, and I heard from Jill on the Destination Linux podcast ( @Jill_linuxgirl ) that it was even used for movie production in the early days, the 2000 movie "The Perfect Storm" to be precise, but it has come such a long way since then.
big congrats for this awesome milestone. I've been using GIMP for a lot of years and I could not live without it now. I'm very exciting for the new version and I wanted to thank you all these efforts.
Hooray! I don't know how long I've been using GIMP, but I think it was the one of the first image manipulation program I ever used ... and I am still using it.
thank you for the work! I made my first donation today. I use #GIMP I think as long as it exists on Linux. I hope my people take the opportunity to be reminded and make a donation today, too!
Hey GIMPS, thanks for that amazing Upgrade and many hours of hard work! i would like to ask very gently when gimp 3.0 will be available on linux mint; does anyone here know?
@thom @hiker We do not manage the packages in the various Linux distributions so we don't know when updates will be available. You should ask Linux Mint about it. 😄
I never knew you cared. This is not a joke? Better get the gimp.
I use Linux because it generally does what I do every day. There are a few ok programs out there like gimp, blender, and kdenlive. I mean they get the job done mostly without me having to reboot. Really I had a lot of pirate software and I could not open the gateway for them to report home in Windows is what brought me to Linux. (sorry I thought I was responding to Tom Ellard aka Lard Motel)
Thank you for all the hard work! I've been using GIMP for a while.
(Sorry about all the angry replies, I wish they'd be civil about how they disagree! Change the "offensive" name if you want, but keep up the good work with the actual software! ❤)
Would you consider changing the name to something less offensive? I would like to recommend the software to my daughters, but I can't add long as the name is an ableist slur.
have you considered dropping "Program" from the name? It's implicit that's a program and then the acronym would not be a bad word anymore (I think, English is not my first language).
@freezr it's a fact that it's a offensive word, regardless of why they are complaining. A non-offensive word would make everyone happier and drive more adoption to the program. Many people have left experiences where it was not chosen at work because of the offensive name.
awesome. thank you for the new version. great job with it. i will need a computer with a bigger screen to run it like i would like. because the side toolbars are getting too fat and cannot be reduced further. now i'm working with one toolbar which has tool options, layers, brushes, paths etc. also have to modify a few of my "scm" scripts. but don't mind my griping. again great job!
I've built GIMP-3 from source. It's nice. My #Linux distro will keep GIMP-2 and feature GIMP-3 as well. I'll comment that, for me, two features are missing from GIMP-3:
SVG support requires Rust now. Rust is a huge dependency to need to add just to get SVG. Additionally, Rust isn't available for some distros and/or architectures. So, for me, GIMP-3 will need to omit SVG. I think that some other distros will make the same decision.
The Create Logo command is gone as well.
Comment to @GIMP : It shouldn't be difficult for "file-svg.c" to support the 'C' version of librsvg. In fact, the code is already there in an "#else" block. It looks like relatively minor changes are needed. However, I haven't been able to make it work yet.
On the other hand, Resynthesizer and #GMIC both build and work. The base GIMP-3 filters plus those two add-ons are most of what I need.
Note to distro admins: To build Resynthesizer for GIMP-3 from source, you presently need to use the "resynthesizer3" git branch.
@gmic may be pleased to hear that GIMP 3.0.2 and GMIC 3.5.3 are confirmed to be simpatico. See the attached screenshot.
Note: The distro and desktop used here are my own 30-year-old project, Laclin. I'm as fond of it as the GIMP and GMIC teams are of their projects.
@oldcoder @gmic GIMP supports the C version of librsvg. We never bumped the minimum requirement on purpose so that it's still possible to build with the last version of librsvg (just before it started to use Rust).
In theory, yes. GIMP-3 builds with the 'C' version of librsvg. In practice, I observe an "unknown error" [ or similar wording ] when I use the resulting copy of GIMP-3 to open SVG files. If I'm able to learn something more specific, I'll report it.
@oldcoder @gmic yes, please feel free to file an issue with a test case.
For the old logo scripts (which probably no longer work), you can try tools / gegl filter, and choose GEGL Styles or Filters / Generic / Text styles (same thing) will get you a long way.
I grandi conflitti sono sempre stati preceduti da enormi investimenti militari. Dal 2009, la spesa militare globale ha raggiunto livelli record ogni anno, con la spesa del 2024 che ha toccato il massimo storico di 2443 miliardi di dollari. Il Piano di Riarmo Europeo impegna l’Europa a investire 800 miliardi di euro in spese militari. Sia l’attuale Presidente degli Stati Uniti che l’attuale Presidente della Russia hanno recentemente dichiarato di essere pronti ad avviare colloqui per la normalizzazione delle relazioni e per una riduzione equilibrata degli armamenti. Il Presidente della Cina ha ripetutamente chiesto la de-escalation e un passaggio da una mentalità di confronto a una di collaborazione win-win. Questa è la direzione da seguire. E ora l’Europa si prepara alla guerra, con nuove spese militari pianificate come non si vedevano dalla Seconda Guerra Mondiale. L’Europa è forse disposta a brandire le armi perché si sente messa da parte?
L’umanità affronta sfide globali enormi: il cambiamento climatico, la fame nel Sud del mondo, la più grande disuguaglianza economica della storia, l’aumento del rischio di pandemie, la minaccia di una guerra nucleare. L’ultima cosa di cui abbiamo bisogno oggi è che il Vecchio Continente passi dall’essere un faro di stabilità e pace a diventare un nuovo signore della guerra.
Se il fatto che alcuni scienziati scrivano che invece di rischiare la guerra nucleare conviene affrontare il cambiamento climatico, la fame nel sud del mondo, le pandemie e la disuguaglianza vi fa salire il sangue alla testa, chiedetevi perché.
Gli scienziati si uniscono per opporsi alla recente proposta di riarmare l'Unione Europea. Hanno pubblicato "Scienziati contro il riarmo – Un manifesto" e invitano scienziati, ingegneri, professionisti del settore medico, matematici, studiosi e l’int…
"Riarmo" è una parola ingannevole. Si tratta di un rilevantissimo aumento della spesa bellica motivato (anche) sulla base di una pesante sottostima della spesa attuale: Lo dice l' Osservatorio sui conti pubblici della Cattolica diretto da Carlo Cottarelli: archive.is/jPnEb
La spesa europea per la difesa eccede quella russa del 58% nel 2024 (56% considerando solo UE e altri membri NATO in Europa e 19% considerando la sola UE).
the military-ind. complex in cahoots w/the mainstream media is telling us that Europe is defenseless and #Trump will withdraw #USsoldiers,when in fact 1) the new #USNuclearWeapons,B61-12,have a been stored in EU 2) US supremacy depends on #militaryBases abroad, especially #Italy
chiediti perche gli usa hanno bombardato l'iraq e l'afganistan e mai una volta nord corea... capirai il significato di deterrenza. E poi l'ucraina sotto la spinta americana ha rinunciato al nucleare perche gli americani gli hanno promesso protezione, trump è un traditore. La russia è la nostra nemica e noi dobbiamo essere in grado di proteggerci da soli, dobbiamo essere piu indipendenti possibile a livello militare, energetico, materie e tecnologie.
@d10c4n3 se hai armi nucleari a medio raggio l'effetto deterrente ce gia. Basta pensare che nord corea non è mai stata bombardata mentre siria, afganistan e iraq si
@d10c4n3 l'ucraina era uno stato cuscinetto, poi sappiamo che fine ha fatto... se avesse avuto l'atomica putin farebbe cosi tanto il grande? A questo punto si, ogni stato minacciato dovrebbe garantirsi la sicurezza con la deterrenza. Strano che non sia cominciato il boicottaggio della russia gia nel 2012... ma come semore l'europa e gli europei dormono.
@d10c4n3 garantire a putin?!?! Ha gia dimostrato abbastanza di quanto ci si possa fidare di un dittatore. Per me la Russia dovrebbe essere isolata e boicottata finche i territori dell'ucraina non saranno integri, oltre che donare armi al'ucraina per difendersi dall'agressione.
ti dimentichi che non decidono i dittatori in un mondo giusto, ma le democrazie. Se il popolo bielorusso vuole entrare nella comunita europea sono i benvenuti e nessun dittatore deve togliere l'autodeterminazione di un popolo. Se putin vince sull'ucraina allora vincera l'agressione, la guerra e la paura sulla pace, democrazia e liberta.
non è una gara, bastano poche centinaia, non migliaia. Non sono i paesi dell'ex urrs a dotarsi di atomica ma di europa e il suo esercito di difesa, come gia detto in precedenza sotto la legge internazionale e rispettando i diritti dell'uomo. Il trattato di profilazione non è sbagliato, ma i tempi sono cambiati e gli usa non vogliono proteggerci. Da un lato speravo che vincesse trump cosi l'europa puo cominciare a caminare sulle proprie gambe, senza essere la prostituta degli usa.
@d10c4n3 nella jugoslavia gli us hanno fatto bene a intervenire visto che cera un genocidio in corso. Non si puo aspettare ONU perche 5 stati hanno diritto di veto e immagino chi avrebbe bocciato il piano di intervenire in una votazione... (russia e cina). Per iraq, libia e siria purtroppo non ho abbastanza inforfazioni da esprimere un giudizio. Fatto sta che gli usa non sono angioletti e neanche europa visto che per 9 anni hanno continuato a dare migliardi (comprando gas) alla russia.
@d10c4n3 ma se qualcuno ti ruba la casa te che fai? Non difendi? Guarda che non ce la "polizia" da chiamare, te lo devi cavare da solo. Putin è al potere perche ce una propaganda incredibile in russia, pensa che funziona bene anche in europa visto che ci sono tanti vigliacchi/filorussi. A kherson gia nel 91 hanno votato per allontanarsi dalla russia e avvicinarsi all'europa, e il bello è che sono russofoni. Oggi putin vuole kherson e molte altre provincie e se gli ucraini vogliono -
@d10c4n3 - diffendersi gli capisco e l'europa dovrebbe diffenderli come gli usa ci hanno protetto durante la seconda guerra modiale. L'europa dovrebbe fare molto di piu! Siamo indietro e siamo in ritardo!!!
@d10c4n3 ce differenza tra dotare questi singoli paesi di armi nucleari e dotare la COMUNITA EUROPEA di armi nucleari, le decisioni verrebbero prese da tutti insieme. Putin non puo fare molto a parte che mangiarsi il fegato visto che nessuno piace vivere in una dittatura, e quei paesi prendono decisioni in base a chi il popolo ha messo al governo, per questo vogliono stare nella comunita europea. L'unica cosa che manca sono le ⚾⚾ ai cittadini europei troppo abituati ai videogiochi e film.
@d10c4n3 io parlo per l'europa, gli usa sono un'altra entita e noi dovremo essere indipendenti da loro. Delle malefatte europee conosco solo la francia che con la sua fca tiene per le ⚾⚾ l'africa e la guerra in libia.Questo comportame to vergonoso alimenta l'odio verso di noi e aumenta la poverta e l'immigeazione.Noi dovremo creare legami economici rispettando i diritti dell'uomo per creare prosperita economica e stabilita politica con questi paesi,cosi facendo fermiamo anche l'immigrazione
@d10c4n3 non pensare che io ho voglia di fare la guerra... io penso che le risorse dovrebbero essere impiegate per migliorare la sostenibilita ambientale, per le innovazioni tecnologiche in ambito medico e che migliorano la qualita della vita, sono per la democrazia e liberta. Ma se un'altra entita cerca di sottomettere/intimidire/distruggere il sistema in qui vivo allora dovremo essere pronti a diffendere il sistema in qui viviamo. La nuova generazione vive nel "lusso" ignorando i --
@d10c4n3 -- sacrifici dei nostri antenati per arrivare a cio. Sono una generazione di inconsapevoli i cui gli unici valori sono chiara ferragni, il calcio, terra amara, uomini e donne, una societa misera e senza palle.
You know why we Germans are so pedantic about data protection? Someone around 90 years ago went through all records available, selected people with certain criteria, with the help of IBM, and then killed them all.
We don't want to be on any list.
And now the US Gov and Musk is trying to get access to all data they have about every person and put them into a big fat DB and run AI over it.
Newly discovered documents from Hitler's Germany prove that IBM directly supplied the Nazis with technology which was used to help transport millions of people to their deaths in the concentration camps.
Company: "There is a gap in your CV for 3 years . What did you do during that time?" Candidate: "I found a gap in your company history from 1933-1945, what did you do during that time?"
Actually; Even more so in the Netherlands. The Dutch had migrated to a fully IBM/Hollerith Machine backed public administration ('digital' first, bedenken second oder so) before the invasion. After the invasion, the German's were just like "uuuuh, we know these machines! Got a query to run, let's call our IBM consultant!";
This is why (by %/population) so many more were murdered in NL; And why the Dutch resistance burned archives:
@tfiebig Fascinating, I see the Auschwitz posts here on Mastodon and there are some many deported from The Netherlands. But also France and Norway stand out.
@tfiebig @burningTyger 35 years ago, when I finished high school I drifted apart from my friends/classmates who were into tech and science as they had 0 problems with bootlicking Thatcho and working for big USA tech companies, including the military-industrial/surveillance complex (which was a major employer in UK even decades ago, our tech industry is built on it). I see some of them on LinkedIn, they are still working for those corporates and are unrepentant..
@soulexpress Me looking nervously onto the vote that will happen on Sunday which will get a Nazi party to maybe 20% and the CDU (the merkel party) having a racist old dude running it atm and might become the winner 🫠😅🙈
this is why people need to start becoming self sufficient. Homesteading, growing your own fruits and veggies, getting your meat from livestock, creating barter systems with the community. Anything that gets people away from government and the systems that oppress the people.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @joaopinheiro @mbpaz @MrLaCave thats not good enough. "I didnt know painting an entire group of people are parasites that needed to be exterminated would hurt them" is an idiocy that should be brutually punished. A 5 year old knows that people are people, henry ford was a grown ass man. "I didnt know" isnt an excuse.
Don't think that they have the same goal but still. I don't want to be on their lists anymore. #degoogle #demeta #deamazone #deusa for what it is worth.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @GabeMoralesVR @mbpaz @MrLaCave Today, literally speaking, I noticed a graffiti in my school outer wall with the name of one of the worst fascist, racist, xenophobic... Portuguese groups... So sad! On the school wall!!!
@GhostOnTheHalfShell I was not referring to the content of the article, it was just the only source of Karl Kraus’ text that I could find quickly, since German Project Gutenberg was quit.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell Unfortunately, he’s mostly forgotten even in Germany (in Austria probably not so much). I only looked into his works because the German literature scholars that became my partners in publishing published some research about him. But I’m also interested in historical satire.
And, what's better than ⌊π⌋ great CCE's (Content Creators in Educational, or Circle Constant Enthusiasts) teaming together to celebrate #PiDay? Well, of course, it's ⌈3.9⌉ amazing guys messing around with sliding blocks on an air table to calculate π=3.9 on #PiDay2025! 😍 youtube.com/watch?v=vlUTlbZT4i…
Causa problemi di salute sto cercando un nuovo lavoro. I problemi di salute sono mentali, in quanto neurodivergente ho bisogno di un posto dove orari e luoghi non causino stress. Non sono diplomato e vivo nella zona ovest di genova, quindi avrei bisogno di un lavoro che non richieda di spostarsi troppo verso est (non ho mezzi privati) e non richieda un diploma. Sarei felicissimo anche di imparare qualcosa di nuovo ma, avendo quasi 40 anni, non posso fare l'apprendista. CV su richiesta.
per capire se hai i requisiti per il profilo di collaboratore scolastico (per gli altri ci vuole il diploma) e magari integrare quello che ti manca. in bocca al lupo!
@sans_serif_girl Ti ringrazio! 😀 Sono influenzato e gonfio di medicinali e non ci capisco niente ora quindi lo leggo quando sto meglio, tanto direi che ho tempo fino al 2027. Il collaboratore scolastico sarebbe il bidello?
considera che vanno selezionate le scuole e potrebbero chiamarti anche in una media o superiore, comunque i turni sarebbero solo mattina/pomeriggio e a seconda delle scuole su 5 o 6 giorni con la domenica e i festivi sempre liberi. non è facilissimo entrare nel giro delle supplenze ma ti auguro di potercela fare se pensi possa essere un lavoro che fa per te!
@sans_serif_girl Ah, quindi sempre a lavare i pavimenti ma solo quando manca il lava pavimenti ufficiale? È il lavoro che facevo prima, non il bidello eh, pulizie. Lavoro di merda ma più che altro per gli orari. Tre ore al mattino... Una alle 2, altre la sera... E alla fine tutta la giornata ti salta a pulire cessi.
nelle ditte purtroppo è la prassi fare lo spezzato, a scuola di solito o lavori la mattina o lavori il pomeriggio quindi il resto della giornata è libero comunque vedi un po' te, tanto come dicevo il bando è scaduto l'anno scorso e le graduatorie valgono tre anni quindi il prossimo uscirà nel 2027
Una persona maliziosa ti direbbe che fanno ben poco. Una persona meno maliziosa ti direbbe che portano circolari, fanno sorveglianza, tengono un po' in ordine... cose così
@ed Domanda difficile. Parliamo di un mondo dei sogni? Vorrei avere la opportunità di poter imparare qualcosa per lavorare nel campo dell'informatica. Anche semplicemente IT. Realisticamente parlando non posso essere troppo schizzinoso. Se sono cose che non mi fanno sentire male mi sa che devi prendere quel che trovo.
@ed intanto che cerchi, ti stai informando per seguire qualche corso di formazione gratuito? Ce ne sono diversi e in molte regioni possono accedere le persone senza occupazione. Cose come "dote lavoro" e simili se non erro. Solitamente sono organizzati da agenzie private ma ce ne sono anche organizzati da enti pubblici. Anni fa ne seguii uno da addetto ufficio stampa, ma ce ne sono davvero tanti: dai corsi di lingua all'amministrazione/buste paga.
@Claudia_Ska @ed Eh, non avrei modo di seguirli... Sto lavorando adesso e i miei orari sono il caos. Mi sono iscritto a un corso di basso e anche quello, pur essendo un giorno a settimana solo, faccio fatica a seguirlo, tanto che ho preso in considerazione l'idea di smettere...
le competenze in ambito informatico le maturi non tanto leggendo libri e facendo corsi quanto passando gran parte del tuo tempo a generare vita attaccato a un terminale. E siccome le cose cambiano in continuazione, a parte qualche ambito o aspetto davvero fondamentale, questo comporta passare la propria vita a correre dietro all'ultimo fantasma, l'ultima chincaglieria, l'ultimo bug... credimi, una vita di merda. A meno che tu non sia così bravo e virtuoso da poterti permettere un rapidissimo apprendimento tale da poter poi dedicare tempo e vita ad altro. Be carefull Bro!
di solito non è richiesta formazione specifica. Poi tutto dipende da quello che cerchi. Il lavorare all'aria aperta e fare lavoro "fisico" potrebbe esserti d'aiuto.
@ImperatriceFuriosa Eh guarda, mi ero iscritto di nuovo alle superiori per prendere il diploma. Ovviamente non mi costringevano a lavorare, ma mi rompevano così tanto i coglioni che alla fine ho rinunciato. Penso che iscrivermi a un corso sia la stessa cosa.
Mutual aid. Organizing. Sharing, contextualizing, and making meaning of news and health information to counter propaganda and information overload. The use cases for alternative social networks – not controlled by techbro white supremacist CEO's working with their cronies in authoritarian governments – practically write themselves in today's world. And with so many talented social scientists, designers, systems thinkers, and developers directly impacted by DOGE, MAGA, et al, there are a lot of people with the right skills for these new networks to make rapid progress.
The good news is there's a lot of promising work happening in the decentralized social media ecosystems known as the fediverses ("federated universes") and the ATmosphere (a fediverse built on Bluesky's AT protocol), including DAIR-tube, Blacksky, the #FreeFediverse, and more.
Still, as promising as these efforts are, there's still a long ways to go.
We need to accelerate work on a few things at once:
Find ways to leverage and improve the current prototypes for mutual aid, organizing, and counter propaganda, hate, and information overload
Help people move from corporate social networks - without losing their support networks, ties to communities, and connections with friends and family.
Build whatever comes next. Structurally, and in terms of applications, what will decentralized social networks, designed from the margins using design justice principles look like?
"The details of how highly marginalized communities are criminalized are the key to how we can build robust and even scalable tech that is not oppressive. This is how Design From the Margins truly works....
The experience of the most criminalized in the US and globally shows how power really works. This knowledge, the workarounds, can also be translated into stealthy tech design, build, and engineering choices that help navigate systems."
With a Trump presidency and the rise of global authoritarianism, we must see that the antidote to our techno-harms are found in communities framed as “dangerous” or the "other," writes Afsaneh Rigot.
How to make progress? Here's some of the questions I have ... very interested in hearing people's thoughts! If you'd prefer to respond anonymously, here's a CryptPad form (it takes a few seconds to load, so don't panic).
What examples have you seen of successfully leveraging social networks for organizing and mutual aid? (It's fine to include examples from centralized commercial social networks as well as alternative and/or decentralized social networks)
How could social networks better support organizing and mutual aid?
What do you see as the most promising and/or urgent short-term opportunities?
And if you'd like to get involved, you can leave your contact info in the form and we'll follow up with you once there are some concrete next steps in place. (Although you're also welcome to fill out the form anonymously!)
This was originally going to be a #FediForum session ... oh well. But why let the FediForum organizers' screwups sabotage a worthwhile conversation? We decided to go ahead with the discussion anyhow. Here's the notes.
Feedback welcome! There are some specific questions in the reply, or here's a CryptPad form if you'd rather give feedback anonymously, but I'm also interested in reactions to topics we discussed in the meeting -- and thoughts in general!
Here's a few specific questions I have ... very interested in hearing people's thoughts! If you'd prefer to respond anonymously, here's a CryptPad form (it takes a few seconds to load, so don't panic; and it's kind of long, but all the questions are optional).
What examples have you seen of successfully leveraging social networks for organizing and mutual aid? (It's fine to include examples from centralized commercial social networks as well as alternative and/or decentralized social networks)
How could social networks better support organizing and mutual aid?
What do you see as the most promising and/or urgent short-term opportunities?
Are there relevant studies, articles, papers, books, videos, and/or podcasts?
And if you'd like to get involved, you can leave your contact info in the form and we'll follow up with you once there are some concrete next steps in place. (Although you're also welcome to fill out the form anonymously!)
@kastope it's a great question and I don't have a great answer yet. For now, there's place in the CryptPad form to leave contact info, and I'll follow up once there are concrete next steps - cryptpad.fr/form/#/2/form/view…
Just to offer this up, suggestion that the fedi's failure to meet this moment with viable facilities for Groups organizing could turn out to be one of the worst in its history. In retrospect, the emphasis on building "more twitters", replicating surveillance-capitalist functionality, and dreaming of world-conquering universal networks has turned out to be badly short-sighted. The footnote in the "Notes" post that mentions the Mastodon project *receiving a grant* to implement Groups years ago, then not bothering to use it, is galling.
It's easy to be a back-seat driver; but it can't be overstated how important it is for developers to perceive the fedi as a field of opportunities for imaginative killer apps the capitalists can't or won't provide, rather than just a fallback for fleeing refugees with replicated functionality
@ophiocephalic yeah totally agree. And not just for organizing either - I was taking with somebody earlier today shot how their friends with long covid are tethered to Facebook because that’s where there support groups are.
I do think some devs get it - Bonfire for example, NodeBB, Mike with Forte. So there are still possibilities. alas that’s not where the resources are going … but maybe a chance to change that?
Yup, some of the more progressive fedi developers, laboring in relative obscurity, are clued into this - the untapped potentials for *onboarding communities*
FediForum is a virtual "unconference" that meets twice a year to showcase new developments, hold community discussions across a variety of important subjects, and give members of the wider Fediverse a
"Alla ricerca di un social senza padroni": su Azione il mio articolo su Mastodon e gli altri. Grazie a @filippodb per la bella intervista. #mastodon #socialmedia
"non c'è nessuno che monetizza" e "senza padroni", riferite a #Mastodon, sono affermazioni inaccurate.
Il fediverso ha MOLTI padroni: ogni server ha un suo padrone, che sia singolo individuo o associazione. La cosa bella è che chiunque può diventare padrone di un nodo di questo social network.
I server hanno dei costi: più messaggi transitano sul server, più alti sono i costi. È comune la richiesta di contributi da parte dei gestori dei server che regalano ospitalità.
il codice di mastodon è libero, non ha padroni, il fediverso non ha padroni, non è sotto il controllo di qualcuno che può sbatterti fuori, gli account non sono di un padrone, puoi trasferirli e migrare ovunque. Si ci sono i fornitori di servizi che hanno istanze ma su mastodon sono l'equivalente delle compagnie telefoniche, usi quelle che vuoi, e ti sposti dove vuoi, non c'è un padrone.
C'è differenza fra monetizzare con pubblicità e fare raccolta fondi per l'hosting.
Il protocollo ActivityPub è un protocollo aperto, non richiede il pagamento di royalties per essere consultato o implementato, e lo stesso dicasi per la "API Mastodon".
Queste, che sono _informazioni_, non hanno padroni che provano a tenerle per se (come avviene per il software proprietario).
Ma i SERVIZI hanno dei padroni che ne sostengono i costi e possono tenere in ostaggio i tuoi dati (in entrambi i casi).
si tecnicamente l'hosting è un problema, in quanto sono loro i veri proprietari di tutta l'infrastruttura, a differenza di Facebook che possiede i propri server.
Quindi un hosting può chiuderti l'istanza in qualsiasi momento per violazione delle regole o per un seguestro giudiziario o anche perchè banalmente stai ritardando un pagamento. Quindi si, se non si ha un server in salotto si è dipendenti da terzi ma puoi estrarre i backup e muoverti quando vuoi se vuoi essere sicuro
si l'hosting è un livello, ma io parlavo anche del livello amministrazione del sistema informatico. Se il server non è il tuo (come nel mio caso, che sono ospitato da @devol) sei soggetto anche (giustamente) alle regole dettate dal "padrone di casa". Cosa normalissima, ma a cui sembra si sia persa l'abitudine, con le grandi corporazioni che ci danno tutto "gratis".
Quello che voglio dire è che di fatto un utente non tecnico mette a paragone "padroni di casa"
@strk @devol beh si certo ma d'altronde anche l'email non è per sempre, se la usi per mandare spam te la bloccano e ancor peggio se non la usi per un periodo di tempo te la cancellano.
@strk Chiedere contributi non è monetizzare, che significa fare soldi su un servizio offerto. Il termine "padrone" è ovviamente utilizzato in senso figurato e peggiorativo, per indicare il potere antidemocratico di fare ciò che si vuole dei dati e dei profili degli utenti.
Beh, di tutti i servizi del fediverso, Mastodon è uno dei più centralizzanti a causa del costo delle risorse (e delle competenze tecniche) necessarie ad eseguirlo su un server. A sua volta le grandi istanze non sono esenti da problemi, sia di privacy, che di convivenza.
Se ti può interessare, ne ho scritto qui, analizzando #Snac una delle alternative più leggere ed economiche da amministrare per piccole comunità: encrypted.tesio.it/2024/12/18/…
si nostr ha avuto un bel boom di popolarità l'anno scorso in quanto c'era il vero snowden che lo usava e l'ex fondatore di twitter e di Bluesky Jack Dorsey. Ma questi ultimi mi paiono non siano più attivi, il boom di bluesky ha oscurato anche nostr olttre che a mettere un po' in ombra mastodon.
sarebbe bello se creassero dei social tipo youtube quindi focalizzati sui video ma agganciati a mastodon e simili che li hostano ,.Si potrebbe caricare si fa in youtube con titolo , descrizione ecc... ma vengono visualizzati direttamente sia su mastodon xd assieme ai commenti che sarebbero visibili su mastodon come fosse un post ,e sia sul canale dei video che dovrebbe essere simile a youtube
Dopo il cambio di politiche sulla condivisione degli account di Netflix ho iniziato a limitare gli abbonamenti per i servizi di streaming e sono tornato ai vecchi torrent.
"Alla ricerca dell'ermellino sperduto" è il prodotto finale di un progetto interdisciplinare di storytelling e illustrazione realizzato nella mia scuola durante l'a.s. 2021-2022.
La prima parte del progetto, gestita dai docenti di Lettere, consisteva nella scrittura di un racconto ispirato al nome dell'Istituto (la partecipazione era organizzata sotto forma di concorso e alla fine una giuria interna ha scelto il racconto vincitore).
Nella seconda parte, con i colleghi di Arte e immagine, gli alunni hanno illustrato il racconto e definito la sceneggiatura del video, che è poi stato realizzato professionalmente.
Lavoro realizzato dagli allievi della Scuola Media I.C. "Leonardo da Vinci" di Ciampino, nell'ambito del progetto "C'è una storia". Voce e editing: Cinzia Mattei.
Condivido qualche #alternativa alla #YouTube Audio Library che ho trovato nel mio processo di de-#GAFAM, in particolare quelle dove è possibile trovare #musicautilizzabile anche in progetti commerciali.
Nota: è importante prestare molta attenzione alle licenze* e inserire l'attribuzione dove richiesta!
Free-Stock-Music.com Probabilmente l'alternativa più completa: buon assortimento di brani e varietà di #licenze, possibilità di filtrare in base a categoria (genere), stato d'animo, tempo, lunghezza, vocale/strumentale e altro.
Ende.app Precedentemente noto come Filmmusic.io, il progetto di Sascha Ende ha subito varie vicissitudini. La versione attuale propone esclusivamente la musica dell'artista tedesco (molti brani sono generati con l'aiuto dell'IA, ma si possono filtrare solo quelli "artigianali"), sfogliabile e filtrabile per genere, tema, stato d'animo e tag. Tutti i brani sono CC-BY.
Bandwagon.fm L'alternativa federata, che presenta per ora una scelta limitata di brani (quelli visualizzati dal link sono filtrati per la licenza CC-BY, mediante il menu si possono scegliere altre licenze tra cui PD e CC0). La raccolta è in espansione.
Freemusicarchive.org Un sito con ampia scelta di musiche, filtrabile per #licenza (qui impostata su CC-BY e PD), per genere, vocale/strumentale e lunghezza dei brani. Un po' troppa pubblicità (e anche un po' troppa musica generata con l'IA).
Soundcloud.com Sul popolare sito Soundcloud è possibile filtrare la musica con il tag #CC-BY (già impostato nel link che riporto), trovando una buona selezione di brani utilizzabili liberamente con attribuzione.
Archive.org Un po' più difficile è la ricerca su Archive.org, perciò quella preimpostata nel link può essere utile. Scarno l'assortimento, purtroppo (provate a cambiare la parola "background" nel campo di ricerca per avere risultati diversi).
Freesound.org Nonostante la netta predominanza di librerie di rumori e brevi suoni, anche su questo sito si può trovare della musica (seguendo il link, i risultati sono già filtrati secondo le licenze CC0 e CC-BY).
FreeToUse Nonostante il nome promettente, i brani rilasciati con la licenza di questo sito possono essere usati per video monetizzati, ma non per altre forme di vendita.
*) le licenze che permettono di usare un brano a fini commerciali (e senza dover ridistribuire l'opera con la stessa licenza) sono soltanto la PD/CC0 (pubblico dominio, attribuzione non richiesta) e la CC-BY (attribuzione richiesta). Inoltre, la licenza free-to-use permette la monetizzazione dei video (con attribuzione) ma non altre forme commerciali.
Un altro passo prima di chiudere definitivamente il mio account G💩gle: migrare tutti i (pochi) video del mio canale su #Peertube Uno Italia!
Tra questi, ecco la breve presentazione che ho realizzato qualche anno fa per l'Indirizzo Musicale dell'I.C. "Leonardo da Vinci", di #Ciampino dove insegno ormai da una decina d'anni.
Abbiamo ben 8 strumenti (caso unico nel Lazio e molto raro anche in tutta Italia!) e da noi la musica e le emozioni non mancano mai!
(indiscrezione... sto portando avanti la proposta di aprire il canale ufficiale della scuola su peertube.uno... 😉🤞)
P.S.: tutti i brani che sentite sono stati registrati dal vivo durante i concerti dei nostri ragazzi (tranne l'ultimo, montato in pandemia con le loro riprese inviate da casa).
Otto strumenti, concerti, concorsi, gemellaggi... Tanti stili musicali, sfide, traguardi! Tutto questo ti aspetta alla "Leonardo Da Vinci" di Ciampino. Energia, passione, emozione... scoperta, cond...
@Signor Amministratore ⁂ non capisco se c'è qualche problema con la pubblicazione di questo post, non lo vedo dal mio account mastodon.uno (che seguo), mentre vedo tutti i precedenti... 🤔
@Tiziano Mattei il fediverso non è istantaneo. Per quanto si possono potenziare i server e per quanto due istanze possano avere più connessioni in comune rispetto ad altre, la comunicazione rimane asincrono. Questo purtroppo può portare in certi momenti a un ritardo considerevole della comunicazione tra istanze. Comunque sia, se non sei sicuro che un messaggio si veda da un'altra istanza, poi copiare il link originale del messaggio Friendica e poi incollarlo nella casella di ricerca mastodon
@Signor Amministratore ⁂ Grazie mille per la risposta e per il suggerimento! Sapevo di questo lag dovuto alla sincronizzazione, ma mi ingannava il fatto che Friendica avesse messo la spunta.
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
Looking forward to watching this with my coffee tomorrow! Also sorry to see you’re spending a lot more time on Bluesky than here, but I get it and appreciate you’re still cross posting your content
@wonkothesane I'll be real with you: this platform needs both better tools for those with large accounts and it needs a culture which isn't quite so trigger-happy to push popular accounts off the platform.
There are frictions here which are very hard to understand for the majority of its users.
@wonkothesane I also got complaints from a regional server who said every post of mine got reported for no reason so they limited my account. I moved to the big one in hopes they have decent policies, but I don't post much here. This is pretty ridiculous considering who I am and what I'm doing.
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
Today I noticed that @TechConnectify has an account here in addition to #BlueSky and I was just about to ask how the two platforms compared for that sort of usage. And then I saw that my question had already been answered 🙂
I think this is a very useful bit of feedback for #fediverse / #mastodon from exactly the sort of content creator that a lot of you want to see coming to this platform.
I would only add one other thought, I'm suspecting the character count limits between interfaces to the two platforms might also be significant to TC.
Otherwise I had been wondering about whether it's better to have accounts on both platforms or just to use those gateway services between the two.
(Also, I don't know, maybe I should be doing a quote post with this, because it does seem to break the stream of conversation, but I don't know)
I'd argue that the same desires that lead to "algorithmic complacency" as you've called it, are those that made TV feel so much different when you could just turn on the tube, switch to some station, and watch whatever was on, very little choice or effort required. There's certainly a part of me that misses that. Same with tuning into a radio station and hearing new music. There is an aspect of discovery, like browsing a thrift store and finding what you did not expect.
i was just watching it. I agree that lots of people dont use their brains to look things up anymore. I recently started to hate YouTube recommeding things for me especially after watching just 1 thing that might be slightly related to something i might have watched. I hate the tracking and recommendations.
While watching this video, the art accompanying the song for the release of OpenBSD 4.6 came to my mind. Thought I'd share this for laughs and/or dismay. openbsd.org/lyrics.html#46
I’m glad you have tackled this topic! My mom was visiting recently and I started to suspect that she was exercising essentially no control over what her phone showed her
Watched this video through #invidious because #YouTube managed to cripple #FreeTube ( a Free / #libre youtube app which does not have recommendation algorithm ) but the only live invidious instance was able to circumvent the issue and now it sort of works.
If Technology Connections will start a #PeerTube I would be so happy.
after watching: this is one of the main reasons I try to have as little accounts as possible. Most things I need I host myself, even for YouTube I use Invidious, Newpipe or Freetube (which for sure puts me in the "not subscribed" statistics) and just support creators I follow on patreon or by buying merch from time to time. I also understand that not many people can go that far. And I also notice that it's difficult for some friends to curate their own feed.
My problem with YouTube's subscriptions page is that it appears to have no control over marking whether you are done with something or want to leave it in the list for later (if it's something you need to be in the mood for).
RSS readers can do this easily, and I use that to 'triage' my lists all the time. YouTube's way of displaying whether things have new content seems really arbitrary and unhelpful.
I like the premise, and I think this is why some older people don't understand new software interfaces. We designed them to be like physical interfaces before and now the more "intuitive" interface designs from younger coders who grew up without physical interfaces.
With a one minute timer (and no specialized knowledge), I managed to get as far as the model 15, knew I was in the right ballpark because it had the same footprint but a different faceplate, but I unpaused the video to check if you were going to provide the answer to the "quiz" before allotting any more time to that rabbit hole (which you did).
And after listening to that preface, I had a feeling that you were going to express an opinion that I agreed with (which is one of the reasons I'm on this platform).
> I don't talk about things I don't understand.
I cannot count how many people have gotten upset at me for saying I don't have an opinion on something.
If I don't possess enough knowledge about something to have an *informed* opinion on something, I don't have an opinion on it at all. So many people in this "New World" have difficulty understanding that.
> Surely this new video won't make me seem like a crank.
Not here, I don't think. If anything you might be preaching to the choir, but I certainly forgive you.
If nothing else, I'm going to be able to use the posted opinions on this thread as a vetting tool to further expand my follow list.
Oh, brother, your video gets into exactly my gripes with today's internet, apps and AI, saying more in half an hour than I could explain in 4 hours.
Day-by-day, the Internet is becoming less about surfing it or sailing it, but more like a lazy river where people simply lie back and are taken by the current, being told what to be interested in.
It's why I'm on #Mastodon to begin with. And thanks for the Canada shout-out against these BS annexation threats.
I'll be one more voice thanking you for continuing to be here, even if not as actively, despite the FediKaren HOA.
I am clearly naïve because I thought that the subscription view would be the most popular path to watching your videos. Not all or even most videos, but at least yours!
nice to see the callout to the YouTube subscription feed. If you turn your watch history off on YouTube, it'll completely disable the home algorithmic feed.
With a few unofficial mods you can nuke shorts too!
OK, thank you so much for coining the term "algorithmic complacency", I didn't have those words to articulate this and now I'm really glad I do.
One thing YouTube could do better, but I'm not holding my breath, is to surface the RSS feeds for channels again. They still exist but I think YouTube has an incentive in promoting their algorithm over self-curation via RSS.
At the risk of also sounding like “old man yells at cloud”, does this radio have a schematic on the back panel? My old tube radio has one of those and I assume it would have been common to have done that back in the day.
In Belgium, there's a social medium that only connects you to the people in your neighborhood and, if you want, the neighborhoods directly surrounding it. It's very simple, no ads, no autoplaying videos, no recommended feeds, just a reverse chronological timeline of people talking to each other about things going on in the neighborhood, giving away things they no longer need, and so on. It's called Hoplr, in case you're interested.
Somehow I only recently discovered the subscriptions feed on Youtube myself, and now it has become my default way of browsing yt. I'm not sure how I never noticed it before but I guess it's the same for most people then, considering the numbers you're seeing. Interesting data point.
In the middle of this video right now and loving it! Psyched that you are on Mastodon, and kicking myself for not following you earlier. Love all your content! Thanks for putting it out.
oh man, this broader topic has been on my mind for quite some time. Thanks for putting this together. And I'll definitely refer to your "algorithmic complacency" term in the future.
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A colleague was arguing that "the algorithm" might help break echo chambers. I don't think that's the case. This for-profit algorithm optimising for the user engagement at all costs is visibly amplifying the said echo chambers to be able to suck benefits from it. And it shows...
i venture to guess that most people do not know the subscription tab exists. there has been a poll here a while ago skaverat.net/@skaverat/1135506… even on masto, when asked from a techy account a fourth of respondents didn't even know it was a thing. also: a sorting thing for subscriptions used to exist, and like anything good but not directly profitable google went and killed it dead.
Question to people who regularly watch videos on youtube:
Do you know of the "Subscriptions" feed?
The tab on YT that shows you a chronological video list of all channels you're subscribed to?
Repost appreciated for more reach
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
<Not a bot> Nice video. I appreciate you venturing out in this direction with the topic. It's curious how you are actually a highly conservative voice in this, while I think most of what you say would be labeled very progressive.</Not a bot>
The problem is that the Web was designed in spite of human nature, and we're reaping the whirlwind as we speak.
It's fitting that it was devised in Switzerland, home of Rousseau, though it was also partly developed by an Englishman, ironic given that the current Web is like a 24/7 advert for Locke and Leviathan.
Your vid is great, by the way. It reminds me of the content the BBC used to make, but which can only be found on its Archive account, fittingly enough, on YouTube.
Thank you for making this video and talking about this stuff. Even as someone with a computer science education who knows how these things work, and how they can subtly guide you towards certain kinds of content, it is remarkably easy to get pulled into using algorithmic feeds.
For me personally, my subscriptions feed on YouTube has gotten cluttered with videos from those I used to watch eagerly, but no longer do.
thank you for this video. It's finding the words for a lot of things that have been sitting in the back of my head. *sigh* ... Algorithmic Complacency is a great term to describe our modern dystopia.
I hope we'll look back to this some time in the future and wonder why humanity was so self destructive.
When I click your video on YT because it was shown to me by a bell notification, how is that represented in the traffic source statistics? I mainly use that and my sub feed.
I love it. To add to your point about AI thinking for us, there's truly amazing AI nowadays that can describe images for blind people like me. Memes, pictures from family, screenshots, and more are all much more accessible. But the AI also likes to editorialize, saying things like people seeming happy or a scene being ominous. I wish it wouldn't, because this can color how I read the rest of the description.
Loved the video: I feel this captures my feelings about the state of the internet succinctly. I’m wondering if the from subscription % takes into account the people who are subscribed but played it from outside the actual subscription feed. I watch most videos from the subscription feed but occasionally might see a new video via the homepage first. Less than 3% really makes my head spin and makes me wonder how people can actually live with a totally automated feed.
your words feel disturbingly true. Even though, I've always preferred and still prefer subscription feeds, recently I get more and more distracted by algorithmic feeds, which annoys me a lot.
reject modernity, embrace RSS feeds. I found this app called tapestry that lets you put bsky mstdn and anything that uses a rss feed so like YouTube podcasts news articles etc. literally replaced most of my social media. Or if you just want bsky and mstdn Openvibe lets you cross post and all that too.
that you tube shorts bit at 23 minutes in. I researched and found a YouTube shorts browser block browser plugin. I can't use YT with out, YT shorts are the worst.
When I first used the internet, any website that required your name, address, or credit card number was shady by default. Now it's the status quo to add your phone number or at least your real name and birthday to get basic service. I still tend to avoid those platforms while my significant other embraces them and our internet experience couldn't be any more different.
This is a issue I am talking about a lot with my friends. I guess they think I am a freak. Always loved the option to set up my own custom RSS feed to handle that algorithm problem. It is 100% in my hand and works platform crossing. 😀
I wonder if you know the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast. It seems like there could be a really fascinating interview between you and them around critical thinking and taking an active role in finding and vetting your information sources.
fun-fact, re:YouTube algorithm. If you turn your history off (which I did long ago), it also turns the Home Feed off entirely. Here's what mine looks like:
I love your videos. This one hits differently but someone had to talk about this and I'm glad you did. Thank you for that bit about Canada, too. As a canadian it's important to remember not all americans are hostile toward us
Hey there! Long time youtube viewer, first time interacting. I’ve felt this. YouTube tried to radicalise me to the left, and I felt myself spiralling. I realised it, and cut off all of the algorithms. Now I use Freetube on the desktop, so that I only have the content I choose, and the fediverse as other social media. Also, for context, I'm in college currently, taking a computer science degree, so this has always been the world I've lived in.
Interessantes Video. Viele Internetnutzer sind leider zu doof das Internet „richtig“ zu benutzen. Es gibt Menschen die können nicht unterscheiden was online ist und was sich auf ihrem lokalen Speicher befindet. Geschweige den wie die Daten fließen. Denen was vom Algorithmus zu erzählen ist sinnlos weil die Basics fehlen. Die Menschen denen das Video helfen soll verstehen es nicht und die die es verstehen brauchen es nicht weil sie die Problematik kennen. Alles so sinnlos🙄
Loved your take on the current situation. I think it's important that we keep our own agency, which I do feel is increasingly getting lost. Especially scary is the fact, that many people don't event _want_ to be in a position to choose anyore...
Saw this on the Fedi, immediately watched it. My own method for dealing with the problem(s) you mention is: I don't subscribe, I download. It took a bit of scripting, but I have a self-curated list of UTOOBers whom I find interesting, and my script finds new posts and downloads them. In the evenings, I catch up by watching some.
I boosted and reposted the link, and have seen my (small) group of friends repost it as well.
You might like "Picks and Shovels" by @pluralistic BTW.
Thank you for this video! It puts my views and concerns with Big Tech into really good words!
Especially the connection with not being able to do research and think for yourself wasn't one I realized quite this way yet! It's a great argument I'm going to use moving forward!
Every time I bring up "the AlGoRiThM" being bad at work my coworkers just kind of go "I don't really care, it gives me things I like" and it's very concerning. I largely agree with this video. (Heck, YouTube decided to stop recommending videos on my "home feed" years ago and I only care about it when I can't think of anything to do and just want to spend a little bit of time)
I stopped using the subscription page some time back in 2015 when they added algorithm stuff to it and you couldn't guarantee that every video would actually show up in chronological order (I remember people complaining that they had to "subscribe to their subscriptions" with the bell icon).
Ever since I've just checked the page of each channel manually.
Nice video, thanks! Plenty of nuance I struggle to get heard!
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At times I feel pressured to engage in algorithmic complacency since its supposedly more convenient!
You know, yesterday I mentioned that I've been writing some webpages to get my head wrapped around computers. And in response (without reading it) I was asked if I used AI.
I brushed it off out of habit. But seriously: When the whole point is to think through it myself, why would I automate that?
You are right and you should say it. This video was a huge wake-up call for me. I had not even noticed myself falling down that rabbit hole with its very slippery sides until you pointed it out. Thank you for the most important piece of content for my mental wellbeing since CGP Grey's "7 Ways to Maximize Misery".
One small note I have, though, is that human connection is, by its very nature, random. It's not like people choose who their neighbors are, or who they run into at a community event. You're absolutely right that letting an algorithm which is definitely controlled by people with an agenda decide who we get introduced to is harmful in the long run, but I'd argue a platform that connects people to each other more or less randomly ("making human connection more random") is just emulating attending a mixer but on a computer screen.
To add to your data - I don't have a YT account so I subscribe to your RSS feed, that's primarily where I click on videos. No clue how that's counted, or if there are any engineers left at YouTube that remember the RSS feeds are still silently churning away in the background.
On your news comment: In the past decade I've noticed more clickbait-like editing from places like the BBC, which is shocking considering the primary audience is not served ads, and therefore there is no reason to, you know, maximise clicks. Common offenses are posing answerable questions in titles, nowhere near as bad as the issues you cite, but still...
On the last point about the potential upsides of "AI", even when people understand there's more ML than chatbots, I think people overestimate how much this is going to help. Even with an ML churning out new proteins and analysing medical scans faster, you still need human doctors / nurses delivering "last mile" medical care, and that's where I think the major bottlenecks are.
This man is a legend. The video about the toaster that eats the toast without manual intervention brought to want one of these. However, much to expensive.
I know YouTube subscriptions and RSS feeds are not the most common way the platform is used but I am actually a bit astonished at how little used they actually are!
I am a crank I guess. Embrace the crankiness. It comes with age and wisdom. On life's journey don't forget to stop and yell at the clouds.
Great topic, and I completely agree with your main point(s). There is, however, one aspect that made this video almost unwatchable to me: The stock footage of people scrolling through social media feeds gets really annoying – especially when shown repeatedly.
Especially the part about how algorithms influence what media outlets publish. I used to really like the NYT. Not so much anymore. The fact that the the Facebook algorithm is the editor in chief of the NYT is really bums me out.
I really enjoyed this video, it really spoke to me and I mean, I would love to use the "subscriptions" feed, but unfortunately I'm not using an account (for reasons) and thus *can't* subscribe. 😅
great video, really well articulated. And apart from the horribly true insights, the most terrifying part was the missing outro. I can‘t be the only one, right? 😱
Honestly, I've felt a lot of the same opinions from this same video!
It honestly feels like I'm taking crazy pills when talking to people about how much they're enjoying "not choosing".
The one part I _somewhat_ agree with them is that life can be so exhausting some times, to the point we don't want to have to expend mental energy to "Choose" and just want to consume. IMO it's a valid thought, but should only be done in moderation!
hmm I'd like to pick your brains a bit about this video if it's OK. I'm not driving at a point, just trying to expose ideas here.
You talk about Algorithms in the SaaS sense, but don't really talk about them in the regular computing sense. ie: Basically every computer in your home is not just running software in a benign way, but running algorithms by Silicon Valley. That is to say: You don't control what those computers do, even though you "own" them.
(EDIT: Here I mean your TV, your router, your PC, your phone, etc)
I could use Windows as an example here, and Microsoft as far back as Windows 8 has been trying to turn Windows into more of a lean-back experience, not to mention its attempts at force-feeding its users AI now. When you search the start menu, it will often show software which isn't installed, or other forms of advertising or "news" which it approves of. So does this logic not extend in all the way?
ie: Aren't you arguing at a minimum for the sorts of regulation which @pluralistic has been arguing for, and at a maximum for always running FLOSS software?
I'm not saying you are actually arguing that. Rather I'm asking whether someone, in some field, would just not care that much about some aspect of their digital diet. A farm worker or an accountant, a Yoga instructor or a lawyer. They may not even have a computer in their home other than a mobile phone, and they maybe don't see it as anything but a pastime. Do you expect them to put in the same sort of work, or have the same sort of understanding about the technical world?
In some ways, do they not depend on us as technologists to fight for better technology? How do you see us solving this problem while still being a niche group?
my old friend Murray just brought me an old radio he had changed the capacitors in. We were meeting up to talk about a paper I co-wrote with AI about society, technology, and phase shifts. I think you might like it…
Been watching your channel for years and it’s been amazing. The video about the rice cooker blew my mind and I’ve been hooked ever since. Thanks for taking the time to notice the small things.
PHASE SHIFTEnergy, Society, and the Laws of Thermodynamics Four Conversations with AINavigated by Clinton Edminster & ChatGPT The Thermodynamics of Economy:Energy, Entropy, and the Future of Our Systems You: I want to think about the economy in t…
I'm like 75% of the way through and really appreciate this video, it's helped me crystallize a lot of existing thoughts
I exist at kind of a weird junction between generations used to driving their own experiences and used to letting an algorithm drive for me. I'll be keeping these perspectives in mind when I decide how to engage online going forward
I wonder if a possible fix for the problem of massive audience users is for a larger "Troll Free" instance for folks with a verified following >N thousand followers, and a shared block list.
Still won't help with first time troll posts though
It was surprising to me that so few people used the Subscriptions page on YouTube. I've been using it so long, bookmarked on desktop and using the Subscriptions icon instead of the default one on Android, that I actually forget the Home page exists. The only problem is sometimes I don't find new channels beyond friends' recommendations or through other sites like this very link. Never heard of your channel before but it looks right up my alley
Strongly agree with your premise here. I don't quite agree that computing is a "solved problem" I think there are still plenty of hard problems that get too little attention. But generally, yes to all of this. People should want agency!
my YT feed is good, buuut I’ve been giving it feedback since before Google bought it, so I’m not expecting this to be the norm. Aside from that? Ivory, my Mastodon client has a “local feed” in the search tab. I removed the search tab, that’s how much I dislike the system. Never understood the appeal of the Facebook wall, or why anyone would want a news aggregator… I have RSS and Atom feeds from websites I want, thank you very much.
(I left a reply on YouTube referencing Andrew Sullivan's commentary about _his own side_ not liking to think, if you're wondering who wants this. This is different commentary.)
Your video made me think of essays from the broadcast-only TV eta. Writers going off about people who would just leave it on all day, never changing the channel, doing the same kind of delegation.
Those writers weren't really wrong, either. I mean, that's the Fox News model...
...which begs the question whether the political forces which made Fox also recognise the advantages of algorithmic enticement keeping attention laser-focused.
(Spoiler: Yes. As I wrote more times than I'll count, that's why Elon Musk made Twitter into X.)
i’m in this 3% coming from subscription feed but from time to time my source is rss. I think that rss is best source but I’m still looking for for good reader
Good work. The analogy with the restaraunt just clicked in my head. I have been trying to understand why with all the content variety on the internet, people still act in mindless debates. It makes a lot more sense now. Also damn, the thing with YouTube subscribers being very similar to how Mastodon only displays following feed was interesting. Never even though of it like that. Thanks for the new perspective on all that.
thank you. I guess it was not an easy decision to (sort of) step out of your usual topics. I really enjoy all your videos, but this one hits like no other. Thank you.
You got me on this platform and I thank thee, I was already using modded "platforms" so there wouldn't be any algorithm but Mastodon looks cool, I'd love to research on Algorithmic Complacency with the average neuroscience connaissance I've got.
Apologies for the long response. I'll try to be worthwhile.
In grad school for computer science, nigh on twenty years ago, I took a multisemester series in UX design taught by Juan-Pablo Hourcade. It was fascinating, eye-opening, and frightening. One of the things Prof. Hourcade suggested we consider was the difference between user interfaces which exist to support independent exploration of a new frontier of capabilities, or to guide users down well-trod, well-curated paths towards destinations anticipated by the UX designer.
Or put in modern terms, the difference between a word processor with which you can write anything in any genre or even invent entirely new ones, or an LLM which can imitate any of hundreds of poets but can't actually create any new style, only regurgitate pastiches of existing ones.
Another lesson from Prof. Hourcade: UX design is not accidental, it is intentional. The designer, if they have any professionalism at all, constructs an interface to facilitate … well, what, exactly? The end-user has a terrible time learning who the designer even is, much less their underlying philosophy on how humans ought interact with technology. Out of this, he recommended that we, as newly-minted UX experts (we'd taken two classes in it, which put us significantly ahead of the standards of the field in that era), practice ruthless skepticism in evaluating UX: our needs and interests may not align with that of the designer, and it was altogether too easy to simply uncritically and unconsciously abandon our needs and interests in order to "better align our workflow with the software".
What you discuss in your video seems to be an Hourcadian criticism adapted to the modern world. This isn't to diminish the insight or creativity you've shown, far from it. I say it only so that, if on reflection you agree, you can see yourself as joining an existing line of UX criticism and extending it in a useful direction.
I wish this world was other than what it is increasingly becoming.
This echoes many concerns I've felt. Discovery features are nice, but should be used with care. For that reason, I still curate subscriptions, use an RSS Reader, etc.
Thank you for putting this all together into a video.
Brilliant video... Love the rant about Canada... (Glad some Americans are still sane and prepared to say stop.)
I only use my subscription feed and pick up new channels from links, looking for stuff, recommendations from others etc.
Then I'm an old gink who has never been on Farce-bonk, left Twitter after Musk took over and have no interest in stupid idiots gyrating and prancing about on tiktok and the like.
Nebula is so much better than YouTube. Sadly doesn't have the depth of content as yet.
I wonder if you (or anyone else in here) has ideas or resources for educating kids about some of those "old internet" skills that are being lost.
Cheesy as they were, there doesn't seem to be anything available to my tween that mirrors the "computer and internet skills" education I got in the 90s/00s.
fellow grumpy old(ish) man here, I have RSI from shaking my fist at the clouds... it blows my mind that people don't use subscriptions! Then again I'm the sort of person who used RSS in the pre-social-media world (TBH Google killing Reader kind of killed that for me alongside the reality that many bloggers I used to follow stopped blogging in favour of social media.)
News: I have specific sites I go to and don't use any of the "aggregated"/algorithmic feeds. I try and ignore the "news" section on, for example, YouTube. It's always stuff I just don't want to see, in fact I think I have trauma from seeing Trump and Musk every time I look at the screen. I wish I could just turn that off.
A similar issue to shorts that you mention, I'm not interested, it isn't the sort of content I'm there for. (I do use a browser plugin to do some of this, but I also use YT on FireTV a lot which doesn't have such niceties... yes, I need to cut FireTV out of the equation at some point.)
quotes from the video: "Social media algorithms don’t nurture human connection - they exploit it." youtu.be/QEJpZjg8GuA?t=1202
"I certainly don’t want that - I don’t learn anything unless I do the mental work to create a complete framework of understanding in my mind." youtu.be/QEJpZjg8GuA?t=2053
I’m on a small Fedi instance and take photos on a mirrorless camera (with low vision, as my username suggests). I’m 100% with you on intentionality and thoughtfulness, and putting in the effort. Also with you on taking responsibility for our research and work.
At the same time, I’m also with you on looking for nuance. The same thoughtfulness can solve some of the issues you bring up: follower-only posts are really useful; Google Maps has a no toll roads option; you pointed out the option of the subscription feed on YouTube, but having the option of recommendations is what lets people - ahem - discovery - hehe - your channel.
I have a much harder time coming up with excuses for LLM hype, but I know some people do do the extra work to find sources, like how we were told not to trust Wikipedia and check sources - some people did the work them, some didn’t.
Ultimately, thank you for the video, really great points. I wonder if it would have made more sense to me if some aspects were separated out or if I’m latching on to details.
Oh! I would have used text recognition and/or reverse image search to start researching the radio. Yup, still mostly blind. Hehe.
I was just thinking about this yesterday! I realized how in my teens, connecting to the internet was something intentional that I would do for maybe 1 hour a day, to a world today where I am constantly connected and go crazy if the service is down for 10 minutes… I genuinely think that we would work better as a society if our interactions were more human and local.
I think the concept of Algorithmic Complacency is such an important thing to get into people's heads and also maybe just complacency in general. I've been long off Twitter/X ever since "Twitter Blue" rolled in, but since then I've discovered what it's meant to be on social media in a way thats actually healthy and, y'know, social again (spoiler, not algorithms).
It's been good to have peace of mind that nothing is controlling what I can and cant see. I feel like that much is obviously but it's baffling to me that some people, even people I call friends, cant look inward to see how detrimental it is to their minds. I think algorithms are designed to make people think they need them, to not use their brain and just intake a continuous stream of consciousness, to give the illusion of social connection. I think places like Bluesky and Mastodon do it better, but Cohost did it the best: You choose who you want to follow, you can talk about what you want to talk about without (as many) random people or bots completely spoiling the mood (either from being misinformed or just trying to intentionally be a nuisance). It feels like a genuine community where people can share and learn and laugh, and I think thats something an algorithm completely snuffs out. It's a completely different game. I've argued this more than I want to admit, but there are a lot or reasons people say they "need" the algorithm and it kinda hurts, because I know I thought that once too. From "I need it so my art has reach" to "its the only way i get news" (this one is terrifying and I dont think I need to explain why).
I think a better Internet is out there. Admittedly I think we solved this a long time ago and tech companies just made it worse and found a way to make money off of it, but I think if more people are aware of the issues at hand and look inward, we can create a better future. More and more people are switching to platforms with fewer/without algorithms. More and more people are self-hosting their art and thoughts and wikis (maybe this is just my corner of the internet actually, but I'd like to think it is). That future may still just be as niche as bsky and cohost and the fediverse, but I'd like to see a future where more people discover that and think for themself.
so true! ❤️ I've announced deleting my facebook account 5 days ago from the same reasons. It became a rabbit hole of algorithms. End especially after Zuckerberg's new decisions (or claims), there's no place for me on Facebook any more. + I'm using Subscriptions only ;) Partly because I'm forced to, as I cheat a bit on Youtube by pretending payment from Turkey and having extremely cheap premium account for my whole family... so my "home" on youtube is big crap anyway, as my kids turn it to algorithms nightmare by watching "shorts" garbage.... but hey, I used "Subscription" even before 😅
Hey I'm not finished the video yet (about 10 minutes left) but thank you for bringing up politics with your Canada example. I'm not being sarcastic. I think what's going on in America *has* to be addressed in even seemingly unrelated things, such as my favorite technology-focused YouTube.
I think we're in a fight for democracy, so thank you for speaking out 😁
This was a good video for a slow Sunday morning - a good time for introspection.
I went down the "small web" rabbit hole here for a while because of some similar feelings around algorithmic content curation and delivery and ... well ... at least for me I discovered I don't have time to read stuff one way or the other.
At least I've cut down on the number of inflammatory headlines I see.
enjoyed that. Do you have night storage heaters your side of the pond? Just moved into aplace with them and not entirely sure how they work, a TC teardown in unecessary detail would be fun
I felt so unfairly called out when you started talking about GPS. I have like 7 different routes to get from my house to college and I know the pros and cons of each in terms of mileage, time, and fun factor.
You are making the same points that i have been evangelising to everyone for years. I also think that your point about actively wanting to see your neighbourhood is very important: self check-out, ordering everything online, and driving the fastest routes all remove what i call "social micro-transactions" from our lives, and i think it has become apparent that we really NEED those interactions with people. We are more connected than ever, yet we are also more lonely than ever.
Sir, I am one of the poxy 3% that *does* use, and absolutely loves the subscription feed. I look at home once in a blue moon and find it honestly depressing.
You also suggested that if a creator posts multiple videos at a time that they end up in a single tile, that does seem to happen at least here on my phone. If I'm subscribed and have notifications on for a particular creator and they post three or more videos, they get lumped under a collapsed entity that I have to expand to view. If it's only two, then they don't, I think... Don't quote me on that though.
Edit: BBC News posted two videos and they appear as a single item, have included a screenshot (hopefully) so people can see. I'm blind so I could well have screwed it up, admittedly.
You put together a very thoughtful video. The acknowledgement that subject a subject has nuance and the understanding that the video is an opinion piece is always important, especially when you are focusing on content that does not follow those two things.
It’s spurred me to add a browser extension that automatically redirects to the subscriptions page. A bandaid fix, but one that reminds me to not get sucked into complacency so easily.
this is your best video *ever* and also the most important one. You really put all your heart into it. Thank you.
Note: I'm not using youtube subscriptions because I have no google account and I dont want one. I'm using offline subscriptions in the newpipe application.
As someone who has discovered this video twice without algorithms (YouTube purely via NewPipe: locally saved subscriptions with feed and this Masto post) I have to underscore, that you don't have to be 30+ to discover the fun in that. (I am not yet 30 by quite some years:) Sadly the destructive power of algorithms has shown itself today in the German elections in the rise of the AfD amongst (young) voters... I would like to thank you for this fitting video with such good timing.
great video, I guess I am one of the weirdos that mostly lives out of the subscription section on YT though I do look at the home feed for surfacing new content.
regarding the maps, you might greatly appreciate the effort of the #OpenStreetMap community. With OSMAnd, you can get quite specific about tuning the routing algorithm to your needs. osmand.net/docs/user/navigatio…
OpenSteetMap is also mapping much more than just streets… The community maps sidewalks, airport concourses, and other bits of infrastructure without any immediate profit motive. Cool.
@thompsondt I love #OpenStreetMap. I am busy mapping all the houses and addresses in my neighborhood. I used Magic Earth when I travelled and make fixes when I see them. What a great community.
aww, you made me look up where was the first Sears I ever went to with my Grandfather when I was a kid. I think that was at Irving Park and Cicero. It’s now a Target.
I loved the video, I have been feeling lately like we're in the middle of the effects of these recommendation algorithms boiling over. Attention spans are also something we need to get a hold on.
The internet has become TV by a difference name for a growing demographic.
Less that people forgot that the internet is the world's largest library but after a 12 hour shift earning minimum wage, people want TV not library research.
It's nice to find you on Mastodon. I actually started to use the subscriptions feed a couple of weeks ago as I started to realize some choices really messed up the algo feed. I even bookmarked the subs link in my browser. ^^ But I really nodded along to everything you said in this video. ^^
I highly recommend this video to all my followers. I stumbled upon it because I follow Alec Watson for some time now. Not by subscribing to his channel but by just remembering it was a good source. Although I did look for an e-mail newsletter and RSS-feed for it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technolo…
Ah, I see he also uses Patreon. Something I have grown to appreciate the past few years patreon.com/c/technologyconnec… in my efforts to avoid my attention to be sold to advertisers.
It's stupid to put so much reliance on what an unthinking unfeeling algorithm or AI says without any care into the validity of what it says.
But it's really hard not to fall into the slop pit of convenience and let it serve your gruel. I've got a ways to go to fix myself as well.
I'm going to change my yt bookmark to the subscriptions feed so that's the one I see first- I just wish I could hide shorts on my mobile like I have on desktop. I also need to find a better more effortful way of getting news than just browsing google news. Some of the shit it puts up is so fucking stupid.
I might also take stock and hide the worst offending apps on my phone.
I have always enjoyed your videos, and I really enjoyed this one as well. Thanks for what you do to improve the world.
It seems to me that "algorithmic complacency" is actually a type of learned helplessness, mixed with a heap of intellectual laziness and sheer uncuriousness about the world around oneself.
Something about content recommendation algorithms that deeply disturbs me is that 1) they are meant to maximise profits, no matter the cost/harm to users and everyone else, and 2) that whatever maximises profit is often genuinely very harmful. (1/3)
Great video! Missing one bit: it's not just the algos choose which content you see, it's also they enable people to make DIFFERENT content ONLY for you, custom made to influence you, that others can't see.
So Cambridge Analytica can show you “Candidate supports X” while showing “Candidate opposes X” to others. No one sees all the messages, and no one can call out lies and contradictions.
nice to see you call out Peter Baker for his dumb opinions at 25:50. I’ve hated that man for years and is one of the many reasons why I refuse to read the Times.
any thoughts on signing up for Nebula? It has a lot of YouTubers who got sick of the algorithm and it only lists videos in chronological order or a simple following page. There’s a lot of familiar faces you’d recognize as well like practical engineering, real engineering, wendover productions etc
As a polite critique, I must say that you spend some much time on googling the radio, that on the first try I didn't get to the meat. Only after few recommendations by people here on the 'don did I try checking the last third, and found it most excellent.
Thank you for bothering to put all that on paper (and video).
Oh hay, I found you were on Mastodon because of this video. Agree with a lot of this. As a #privacy and #security guy from the tail end of Gen-X. Getting the younger generations to understand why their privacy is important has proven impossible. This feels a lot like that. I miss the days when hotbot was the best search engine.
Really enjoyed this video. I think it sums up what I've grown to feel about the modern internet.
It's worth noting that, even predating the rise of AI, a lot of searching has become less effective as SEO-optimized generic articles or sponsored crap from big sites makes it very hard to, for example, research products to compare which you should buy. Obviously specific queries about purely informative resources are more likely to be useful.
The old school forum and sites like reddit provide similar results as far as niche information and especially users that have experience with the thing you want to know. The difference is that unless you're passionate about something, you're not likely to start posting on a niche forum, where you might if you're subscribed to a community and it's part of your feed.
That's where I think the value of "platforms" is. For better or worse, they're easier to use and get into.
Re:reddit, there's always Lemmy, which is definitely getting better but has some rough edges.
Thank you so much for this video. I just watched it and it rings *every* bell. Mastodon is the only social network where I'm "active", apart from that I use #RSS feeds that I picked very well. I try to use my own brain. It was such a pleasure to listen to you, especially in times like these. Thank you once more. (But I miss good, ancient #FIDO-net, I must admit)
Now here's a crazy idea... Instead of letting an algorithm decide what you're reading, why not find a team of professionals who you trust, who can make a selection for you and deliver it to you for a small fee? Oh wait - that's called a newspaper.
I've been thinking about a blog post about something similar, and your video helped me getting it over the line. (I also linked to your video, of course!)
Imagine talking to a medieval farmer, about the concept of excercise. Giving yourself “useless” physical strain, to improve your health? Let’s call this idea artifical physical excercise.
I'm here for this. So glad to see you on Mastodon and join you in the journey to becoming a old man screaming at the wind. (By the way I beat you to it by a few years)
this is the video that got me to ‘switch’ to mastodon. I legit had no idea the vast vast VAST majority of viewers made no use of the subscription system! I have thankfully avoided social media all this time, so if I were to finally jump on this thing, best to do it on a platform devoted to choice over algorithmic schlop.
Love the video! It's pretty accurate. Trying to get people to search for an internal knowledge base article to locate an issue or t/s steps is different now than before. Would be nice to see a true "front page of the internet" where sites like that radio site you showcased, and the typewriter database and others, can be included. Or maybe search engines that can prioritize those kinds of sites.
I guess my main question is, what happens when Google loses efficacy? Forcing AI summaries, boosting paid content, etc. I’ve tried Brave Search and DuckDuckGo search, and neither are very good either.
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
Non sono mai stato molto "social" neanche nei media più mainstream.
Ora che inizio ad abitare queste nuove case del Fediverso, sto ritrovando un po' il piacere di condividere quelli che sento come momenti importanti del mio percorso.
E quello di questo weekend trascorso lo è sicuramente: l'inizio del corso di #arteterapia presso la sede romana di Nuove Arti Terapie, con il grande Oliviero Rossi e un gruppo meraviglioso... Dal primo momento ho sentito il potere trasformativo di questo nuovo percorso di formazione. Due giornate intense, piene delle nostre #emozioni, delle nostre vite e della #creatività che abbiamo messo in gioco, incontrandoci e scoprendoci l'un l'altro e regalandoci nuove risorse e tanto contatto. Un cammino che mi accompagnerà per tre anni e che si preannuncia carico di vita e di possibilità tutte da scoprire. ❤️
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Le altre sono la filosofia cinese (c'è una mia Introduzione all'I Ching nel catalogo di Tlon) e il software libero. Da ora, il fediverso (lo adoro!). Ne aggiungerei altre (arte, viaggi, scienza, danza irlandese...) ma rischio di dilungarmi troppo.
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